Ritz just told all us flooded farmers to F&@k Off!

[bucket]

The problem with the programs is they take to long to get the money.

Agristability won't cut in until after the taxes are done in JUne 2015 for the 2014 year. Try telling your supplier to wait that long when you want to put in the 2015 crop.

[hobbyfrmr]

With such little government cash support, I suspect we are going to have a few more broke super farmers this year.

[ado089]

Tom sometimes I think your just ****ing with people. If the government is actually matching crop insurance premiums like they say they do, what harm would it be to have producers be able to elect to have those funds assigned to an approved 3rd party risk management device? AgriInvest...that's a good one.

[saskcanfarmer]

Imagine farming in Ukraine is like saying imagine farming with a horse and plow. Comments like that are not relevant in a discussion like this whatsoever. We aren't in Ukraine. We can't grow crops like Iowa. It's that simple. Are you blinded by ideology to see how important farming is in the praries? How important it is to the economy? If there's no money everyone suffers not just farmers.

[bucket]

If ukraine ever gets their shit together, which some won't allow to happen, TOM doesn't have enough to live the bleak outlook Canada's agriculture and economy would have, if the Ukraine and Russia decided to lay the boots on us - agriculturally.

TOM may be able to put what he doesn't know on the head of a pin, but there is room for what he does know as well.

[TOM4CWB]

Klause,

Southern Minn got exactly what you folks got this year (have inlaws in corn and bean country down there). Same vein slightly different place. This is farming...

We have not capitalized the stability of flood control into our land base... and the way the enviro crowd are heading... I doubt they will allow us the drainage systems that could help.

Investment in infrastructure creates less risk.

All the best with your crops!

[TOM4CWB]

There is a good reason the mid west US was settled in the 1800's My granddad move up here in 1901 from Iowa.

This is the outer reaches of Agriculture... and the risk of this marginal land has always been here. Deal with the risk... and there is a great life to live here in western Canada.

Cheers!

[bucket]

TOM

So you had 36 inches of rain in 2010, a wrecked bunch of land to deal with in 2011. Get back on track in 2012 and 2013 only to put a crop in 2014 and have a wash out.

You have dealt with that TOM? Before the age of 50? Without help?

There is reality!!!

[Klause]

How many acres in MI are in PP?

What's your point?

They had shit weather excess moisture... just like us. Have little crop.

I'm not saying we need ag programs I'm pissed off that you marginalized the extent of damage guys in eastern sk and manitoba are dealing with.


right now the Quill Lakes are flooding and swallowing farmland by the quarter. A nightmare for us not far away... we lost a lot of land in Manitoba to a lake. .. I don't mean temporary flooding. I mean it is currently under 12 ft of permanent lake dauphin.

[farmaholic]

And there lies the problem with drainage of any variety. Someone else gets your water whether it's a mile, 10 miles, 100 or 1000 miles away it affects someones else. Even if its a major waterway someone else is downstream.

[bgmb]

Hobby I realize you have a size complex but give it a rest. Big will fail, small will fail not about size it's about competency and a bit of luck.

[sawfly]

complicated mess.
the US has always had more socialist farm assistance than here. an Alberta to a certain extent here too .

ad hoc is not the way to go. long run

but there is merit in a crop insurance fix. quarter by quarter.
even if it resulted in payments 25%
below break even.

those kind of numbers would not
be capitalized, in to land rent or land values or canola seed costs.
.
in the past we have had drought payments based on yields in our division. or rain fall 8 miles away.
they never are fair and equatable .

we are never going to get support levels like the US.
our votes amount to nothing.
besides , they will vote Conservative
any way.

as far as mr. Ritz
he is just the puppet.
the power is much higher up ,
and
to blame the civil service , for any govt. policy you do not like.
you must own some pretty blue colored glasses

[bucket]

What these years have highlighted is the lack of understanding by governments that say they are working for farmers.

There is an easy program to be put in place. Quarter by quarter. A farmer could assess his land and say historically if I put this much into it - there should be this much production and insure appropriately to avoid losing money. Insured like hail - pay a premium on what seems reasonable. Less administraion, more people in the field with better reporting would be the end result.

Look at the effort that goes into assessing production in the states compared to Canada. They actually walk the fields and count. Canada has no such thing. They hire a bunch of new canadians to call at supper about the condition of the crop.


There are guys that have 480 acre fields with treated pea seed and they might end up actually harvesting 100 acres. The rot has taken that much. No fault as to what they have done, rotation was perfect, seeding was great etc. The weather just laid a nasty beating on it. A half mile away the peas are great. Seeded the same day. same guy. The impact of the lost fields should be accounted for in this day and age.

[blueversi]

Tom, do you ever re read what you write? You said "we usually farm in a desert", and then say a "10 inch rain event in a month isn't unnatural"? Obviously for the Canadian prairie it is unnatural, you just said so.

[bucket]

TOM said

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Crop Ins is meant to average out things... as is hail ins. Use it for what it is meant for... not for profit...but to average income out.

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Jesus that sounds like Vader and his idea about the CWB.

It has gone full circle folks.