HRS and why we dont need new seed rules!

[SASKFARMER3]

I agree bucket. If would have poured the coal to canola like we do now I wouldn't be farming I would be retired
We pour the coal to hrs and I'm guessing yield is were it's at because of how were feeding it not seed.
But if wheat goes like canola seed companies will win and the farmer will lose.

[freewheat]

Seed growers will win too. They already do fine selling seed at ridiculous prices. Imagine when we HAVE to buy ALL our cereal seed new every year, because, "Katepwa flour made crappy bread, so we need to de-register it".

I have said it before, and I will say it again. I regret not being dry enough in our garden area this year, and multiplying the thatcher wheat sitting in a jar on my shelf from the 50's. Alas the spring was too late. But if my dad could get 60 bushel wheat with basically ZERO inputs, is it any wonder I and many of us question the success of seed "improvements?"

I bet that thatcher will do just fine, if it is treated like we treat today's weak wheats that need daycare all year to perform. But alas, too many folks died eating thatcher wheat.... So it must be de-registered. And the seed growers swear each time a new variety comes out that,

"This one sure performs. You should buy it. It is only 38 bucks a bushel, but if you send it to day care all summer, spray it three times with fungicide, and with everything you got, pour the fertility to her, she yields a good solid 12% more than the old standard."

Who wants some thatcher in five years? I'll let you know how it does. I will sell it for only 38 bucks a bushel...

[farmaholic]

Welcome back Freewheat, nice to hear your common sense approach again. But be careful, you'll be accused of an unprogressive backward thinker if you keep posting stuff like that on here.

"They" have it figured out as to how many more dollars per acre we'll be able to "give" up on an average cereal crop. If commodity prices slip below COP that isn't their problem.

-WGRF has funds
-The pulse model is good for producers
-Have a reasonable check off for cereal breeding funding
-focus on things that help me keep my ass off the sprayer seat
-public and/or producer proprietary but absolute corporate "monopoly/duopoly/triopoly;-)" will spell disaster for producers.

[hedgehog]

You guys need to resist this at all costs.
The fat cat seed lobby in the UK banned farmer to farmer selling long ago, and we have to pay royalties on every acre if we home save.
£4/acre may not seem much, but when you are bleeding money like your throat was cut, it can be the straw that breaks the camels back.
If you dont pay up on time, before harvest, they double the bill.
Its a witch hunt.
Farmer to farmer selling still goes on, but only to people you trust, and invoiced as something else.
Canola is totally screwed, it used to be £3/acre in the eighties, and i had a rep on the phone yesterday offering it at £40/acre. its only worth £220/t!
In scotland we need to sow thicker, but their price structure means i cant, so i will be home saving again.
MONSANTO etc want us into a straightjacket.
RESIST AT ALL COSTS!!!

[TOM4CWB]

Sf3

You complain about Canola Seed.

Under what regulations did this development happen?

The answer is the rules you are now defend.

How ironic.

The new version assures you can reseed your own seeds.

If thatched is good quality... Who cares if it is deregulated!

You say no brown bag seed sales should be allowed. So do the old and new rules.

Interesting discussion.

One thing is for sure.

Things change either way.

If you know seed growers will be profitable... Then grow seed.

Very curious

[SASKFARMER3]

Tom keep believing that Industry actually cares for the farmer.
Canola went from 1.00 a lb to 14.00 this year. Yes suppose to be superior seed but not really same shit just packaged different.
I believe farmers will pay dearly a royalty to seed companies at time of delivery if they farm save.
How some can fiddle when Rome is burning.

[SASKFARMER3]

My question to tom. Why to you believe that the Seed companies will not change the rules and take HRS same road as Canola.
Canola should be the crop that every farmer looks and sees what can happen when we believe the Companies.
1 to 14 and old are decommissioned.
Ah what a great system.

[cottonpicken]

Just guessing but i think it will be quardinated with the grain buying companies and their ip programs "and thats all we will be excepting this year folks"

Hope i'm not plagiarizing anyone havent read everything

[TOM4CWB]

Interesting that the US buyers look at the quality... And buy our wheat that has good falling numbers... No matter the variety.

I hauled CPS as dns, extra strong as dns, and cwrs as dns.

As we get through the high carryover inventories buyers look at mill spec.

We sold winter wheat as cwrs direct to flour mills.

Protien and falling number are the main issues... Ash and flour yeild are a factor but seldom critical to a mill grist... If harvested in decent shape.

If you truly think heritage wheat is a specialty for your farm there is nothing in the new rules that prevent you from growing seed and commercial milling wheat for millers. Without any fear of being charged any levy on either the common seed sales to other growers... Or milling wheat to the mills. The new rules extend to you more opportunity not less.

If you recall we have been through this before.

Have a great day.

Start planning now... If you were careful it could be a rewarding experience.

[blackpowder]

Sask3 and Tom. I think you're both very good at repeating facts. How about some solutions?

[gustgd]

Trying to keep everyone straight without a notepad.
Cotton. Your right on the IP programs. Which is contract law v law of the land.

Someone said they want to grow deregistered varieties yet another asked who pays if a market is pooched?

SF3 you said you seeded $70 canola v $20 wheat and it drowned out your decision

All "old" varieties will be grandfathered in. If you want to grow a 2014 variety paid for out of public system it will be there

Last night I saw some plots of spelt that are new varieties coming out of CDC program. Also saw a new durum that was midge tolerant with SM1 gene. When they cross that with the solid stemmed stuff we will eliminate many insect pests in durum.

Will answer more when time permits.
Keep the posts coming its important that people hear all sides and consider ramifications of what they are asking for.

[BreadWinner]

I think we should go back to %100 percent public breeding program. Our universities used to do a great job producing varieties that worked. This should be funded by tax paid on export grains like a duty. How about the consumer paying instead of the farmer?

[BreadWinner]

WHY DOES THE FARMER ALWAYS HAVE TO PAY? The customer should pay for these things like a tax. THE job of the government is to stop the SH1t from flowing downhill. Lets turn this boat around and let some others start paying!!!

[OneOfMany]

Remember the variety Ebony?

Seeded into summerfallow (worked), with maybe 50 lbs of 12-51, and Edge were the inputs.

Yield 39.4 hauled in to the elevator (not some pic of someones yield monitor). The only time exceeded that yield was last year, ton of fertilizer, fungicde, and seeded in to chemfallow.

Yes, that expensive seed, its good for someone!

[OneOfMany]

Forgot to mention last years yield, 41