HRS and why we dont need new seed rules!

[SASKFARMER3]

If my 5603 that I paid for is grandfathered in and no decommissioned bull shit. Then all you guys can grow what ever new bs varieties they come up with.
Gust on canola yea it looked like a normal spring so I booked what looked like it would work for our area. Not doing that again. Just told bayer rep I'll take lowest cost varieties next year I'm done going for the big prize. No point shooting for the moon.

[gustgd]

Brave heart on seed police that was a private company trying to enforce contract law. If it goes to enforcing "the law of Canada" I don't know??
Would farmers be the people that any party wants to throw in jail for selling wheat. Oh right

That's why it may go the Australian route of EPR everyone can swap and grow whatever they want but when you deliver you tell the variety and the breeder gets paid on volume. Better varieties more volume. Better qualities lower volume = higher royalty. No seed police they encourage brown bagging. VERY EXPENSIVE!! The Australian farmer puts in 3:1 what you do.

The Yanks have their land grant universities.

European have other models

hedgehog might be able to explain what his dream model might look like.

Anyone want to tell us what the plan could be. Try not to include taxpayers in varietal finishing past F6 tight or wrong they've indicated they want off the merry go round.

Bucket I agree with you on seed care and diligence. I don't know the answers to the Trifid flax example. Not my circus not my monkeys

Fact is that in real dollars there is less for varietal research. Being apolitical I don't see any party stepping up to fill gap.

Technology has allowed more precise breeding. This can be done through double haplaiodal breeding and genomic selection. So we don't need as many people to do the same work. Yet the people have to be better.

[wmoebis]

? What is the plan for guys that sell every class and variety off farm into the USA as like Tom said DNS.

This might be happening even more in the southern region.

[Braveheart]

Not just in the US. Paterson has been knowingly buying Pasteur as CWRS. Maybe shady. Maybe buying specs.

I can concur with Tom that many US buyers buy mill spec vs classes. I find winter wheat the exception though.

[farmaholic]

Braveheart: if this thing evolves to a per tonne royalty and variety declarations upon delivery or even contract sign up how do you get around not being liable for false declarations?

Gerrid: if your promoting, "we either do it ourselves or have someone else do it for us," and hating them for it and the higher seed cost as the end result. We need to find a way to make Producers a big player in this. Who would be opposed to a check off to fund Producer proprietary seed? For the unteenth time what is wrong with the pulse model? I asked in the winter how much a tonne based on an average wheat crop would be needed to make it possible. What about the Western Grains Research Foundation? Or is the government going to fold that tent too and keep its assets, some of which are Producer contributions. There is a solution but to do nothing and bitch and moan we don't like the outcome.......

[farmaholic]

Braveheart, on pie...... are you somewhat delusional?

[Braveheart]

Farmaholic, would never falsely declare, personally. We don't grow Pasteur. Don't pretend to know Patersons motives or end market.

We can't grow CPS well but I have spoke to US buyer regarding it. He said the price he would would depend on customers specs minus their basis. Novel idea to you Farmaholic?

Re pie, not delusional, it's the world I like to create for myself. Go create your own world, be it small or not, your choice.

[blackpowder]

Farmers are only happy if their under the illusion their not paying for something.

[farmaholic]

Blackpowder, Oh we're paying alright, maybe that is what generally makes us somewhat of an unhappy lot.

Braveheart. I'm not feeling the "partner" thing either. LOL All my farming career all I've ever noticed was how little everyone wanted to pay me for my product and how much they wanted me to pay for theirs. Choice was either yes or no but if you wanted it you either paid what they asked or took what they offered.... yes or no were my choices.

[Braveheart]

One thing is, people always make the choice that's right for them, at the time they make it.

[blackpowder]

When you sell a raw commodity, you sell at wholesale and all your purchases are at retail.

[gustgd]

Farmaholic we are a long way from a farmer owned breeding company.

1st step is commissions have to talk with each other

Just think back to all the discussion about how much SPG gets about the size of the check off.

Their is zero chance that farmers will band together and demand a non refundable check off at the rate that Australia is at.

Then think about all the discussion about WGRF and railroad overages.

Brave heart is right many farmers want something for nothing.

That's why I see a blended system.
We need a good farmer private/public/corporate partnership.

To try and keep out corporate is foolish. Encourage them bring varieties and expertise to market. Farmers will decide what program is best for their farm.

Can go with large upfront cost and all the pitfalls of commercializations and probably have lower seed costs in future.

Zero upfront cost zero risk, EXPENSIVE seed if you see a value proposition for your business.

I think we need both