HRS and why we dont need new seed rules!

[blackpowder]

Sask3 and Tom. I think you're both very good at repeating facts. How about some solutions?

[gustgd]

Trying to keep everyone straight without a notepad.
Cotton. Your right on the IP programs. Which is contract law v law of the land.

Someone said they want to grow deregistered varieties yet another asked who pays if a market is pooched?

SF3 you said you seeded $70 canola v $20 wheat and it drowned out your decision

All "old" varieties will be grandfathered in. If you want to grow a 2014 variety paid for out of public system it will be there

Last night I saw some plots of spelt that are new varieties coming out of CDC program. Also saw a new durum that was midge tolerant with SM1 gene. When they cross that with the solid stemmed stuff we will eliminate many insect pests in durum.

Will answer more when time permits.
Keep the posts coming its important that people hear all sides and consider ramifications of what they are asking for.

[BreadWinner]

I think we should go back to %100 percent public breeding program. Our universities used to do a great job producing varieties that worked. This should be funded by tax paid on export grains like a duty. How about the consumer paying instead of the farmer?

[BreadWinner]

WHY DOES THE FARMER ALWAYS HAVE TO PAY? The customer should pay for these things like a tax. THE job of the government is to stop the SH1t from flowing downhill. Lets turn this boat around and let some others start paying!!!

[OneOfMany]

Remember the variety Ebony?

Seeded into summerfallow (worked), with maybe 50 lbs of 12-51, and Edge were the inputs.

Yield 39.4 hauled in to the elevator (not some pic of someones yield monitor). The only time exceeded that yield was last year, ton of fertilizer, fungicde, and seeded in to chemfallow.

Yes, that expensive seed, its good for someone!

[OneOfMany]

Forgot to mention last years yield, 41

[gustgd]

Bread winner right now the public is saying they won't pay for 100% public breeding.

How much do farmers want to pay?

If we put a consumer "tax" on exports it makes our grain less competitive v other export nations

To sell for equal it will mean less back to farm

Why don't you still grow Ebony? Is it deregistered? If so, Why was it?

[grassfarmer]

Really Gustd? They asked "the public" if they were prepared to continue paying? I think if that had actually been done, with the realities of moving instead to Monsanto and co completely controlling the seed supply spelled out, the answer would have been a resounding "NO".

[gustgd]

The governments of Canada and all provinces of all political stripes have been reducing budgets in real dollars since at least 1994

We could do a self serving survey to show the great public support. Doesn't mean budgets from taxpayers are going up.

Grass farmer how would you gauge public support?

Actions speak louder than words

I can get you a million facebook likes. Cash is tougher

[OneOfMany]

Gustgd

"Why I don't grow Ebony"

Perhaps because its not available any more and also because Monsanto bought it and withdrew it from the market, "vested interests"

My post was intended to show that just because we are paying "X times more" for seed it does not mean we are receiving "X times more in yield"

[cottonpicken]

What i was trying to get at was the grain companies will be taking delivery of their own ip varieties,only,the old varieties are neutered in a war of attrition.

Saying you can grow your "x" variety all you want....except you can't deliver it anywhere....

I'm behind the curve and dont see all the angles,so someone just tell me i'm plain wrong and that will never happen,but you better be right.

[grassfarmer]

Gustgd, I think you are confusing what the public are saying (or might say if asked) with what the Government and their crony capitalist Corporate buddies are saying.