Hey all you Federal Reformer/Alliance/Con Fraser Inst reports

[cottonpicken]

Mb your view of what happened in 08 is extremly flawed. Economies are suppose to flush once in a while avoiding it and suppressing the volatility leads to an event greater than the suppression. We are no where near through this. And what percent of the debt is interest payments over time 70 percent?anybody ever consider the possibility that someone or something wants to own canadian soverigns?which means your tax dollars hard at work paying interest on an appreciating currency

[fjlip]

Happens to all good intentioned politicians, absolute power corrupts absolutely. The system is such, big bucks call the tune.

[blackpowder]

Well, I just feel privileged to be named fourth on your list!
The duck analogy certainly applies as I don't think any body could "win" at the politics game without fitting in.
We're all certainly free to apply for the job. Hell he's just a man like the rest of us.
Generations of entitlement thinking by the masses have created a monster that needs to be fed no matter the color of the top dogs coat.
Would I vote for Prince Justin if he came from Balzac? or Mulcair if he came from Slave Lake? Not even maybe. But you see, those jackasses are a product of their environment and not from my world.
No great leader from history that I can think of would get elected today anyway.
So, wise guy, do you want to be represented by "the big T O"? Or the unions? Maybe let's have the Quebec sentiment leading the way.
Your debt comments might be correct but your head is still in a dark and funky smelling place!

[HFL]

Lets talk about Canada's debt. When Pierre Trudeau was elected Prime Minister in 1968 Canada had very little debt. The Liberal's led by Trudeau went on a 15 year spending spree, with lots of money wasted. By the time we got rid of Trudeau he was running deficits of 32 billion annually. Every Government since that time has had to pay billions in interest each year. According to Google the interest is over 61 billion this year alone. Makes it hard to balance a budget don't you think? You want to know where Canada's debt came from? Thank Pierre Trudeau. Eventually Mulroney brought in the GST witch he and the Conservatives paid the ultimate political price for. Chretien and the libs fought the 1993 election campaign on the promise to get rig of the GST. Sheila Copps was forced to resign her seat after the election cause they didn't get rid of the GST as they promised they would. Paul Martin used revenue from the GST and cut transfer payments to the provinces and did eliminate the deficit. He could have never done it without the measures put in place by the previous Government, and as was mentioned earlier he did so on the backs of the taxpayers. The Conservatives under Harper brought in a balanced budget in 2009 and the Libs, ND's and the Bloc tried a hostile take over of the Canadian Government. As a result the Government returned to deficit spending. Sure the Conservative's spend lots of money, I wish they would spend so much. If anyone wants to paint the liberals as fiscally responsible, I don't buy it. I might have a bit of time for the Liberals when they pay back the one hundred million they wasted and stole in their adscam scandal. Till they pay it back I have no time for them. The first Trudeau destroyed Canada's finances in his time as Prime Minister. We can't afford a second Trudeau.

[TOM4CWB]

Blackpowder

Right ON

Mb

Very well written... Even if forage calls us trolls... We know exactly he gets his ideas from... Looking in the mirror at wht he is himself.

Name calling is the sign of an insecure broke person.

Good job of outing yourself forage!

[grefer]

Forage. If you want everyone to have a tax cut you don't reduce personal income tax you reduce the GST which is a consumption tax, and we all are consumers.. We are in for some real bad times if Justin was to get to be PM. Has had his head in the clouds his whole life and it's been a cloud of smoke a lot of that.

[foragefarmer]

Grefer

All indications from economists state, that cutting income tax is the best way of putting more money back in Canadians pockets. You as are farmer you pay little GST as you get the majority of it back. Wouldn't it it better for you if your farm income tax was reduced.


Tom I have come to the conclusion your not worth debating. You can't even read, as, no where in my posts did I call anybody a troll. My follow up post was in agreement for the previous poster's Harper comments. If you had taken the time read and digest my comments you would have figured that out. By the way, wasn't there a post here on Agriville several weeks ago from some fellow poster stating they were at a meeting with you and that you don't listen well to other peoples comments. Well I guess you also have a hard time reading other people's comments and understanding as well. I'm sure I could get a lot of people here on Agriville raising their hands to that one.

Blackpowder your comment of my head being in a smelly funky area is a real big boy response. Sounds like your and expert in that field and maybe you should come up for air now and again as your way deep in somebody's

[newguy]

Way too much public money being spent on advertising programs and MP offices. In Seeding must have heard every 15 minutes all day on Moose Jaw radio. Done within the rules but just using public money to promote themselves and their party. Funny the radio blitz was when the MP was trying to get elected as a candidate for the next election.

[mbdog]

Its been my experience that most who speak out and argue against Harper and/or fiscal conservatism simply don't want to work and/or don't like being pulled off the public tit. I think the attack ads are bought and paid for, and obviously hit home for a lot of people. Better than, an counter to, the daily anti-conservative liberal smear campaigning being done by elitest liberals thru CBC on the public dime. Those guys will do anything to get ahold on the public purse...even pretend to be farmers on AV.
I'm sure Harper's getting tired of the bs already. I know I am. Love him or hate him, there is no one to replace him that will represent Western Canadian producer interests.
Just guessing but I think a combination of a gst hike and cuts to personal income tax are both in the wings.
Beyond the headlines, I'm guessing the Howe data will serve to further address austerity/entitlement/competitiveness issues in this country. I'm not as much interested in the headlines as I am the details.

[grefer]

Forage. It may put more dollars back into taxpayers pockets but for many Canadians who pay no income tax it would do nothing. These are not just people with poor paying jobs but many people on fixed incomes, like seniors. Much more fair to give them a break as well. My farming business does get most of the GST back but my family pays dearly when we consume. Just because I have a business does not imply that I have taxable income every year or even most years. Give me a break on GST on my consumption every time.

[blackpowder]

As the pendulum swings too far one way the opposite party pushes it back from that position. Getting blamed for the situation at the time. And it repeats.
Stand for something or fall for anything. =Answer my question or run for office yourself.=
I could shave several billion in a minute. Deed first nations their land and stop all checks.
Place conditions on transfer payments to provinces like Quebec and cut them off for non-compliance.
Sorry Toto, this ain't your Kansas.For now it's still east of the lake. Get a compass, jump in your beetle and follow your heart.

[TOM4CWB]

Forage,

"Tom I have come to the conclusion your not worth debating. You can't even read,..."

Sorry I upset you... I thought that was what your stated purpose of patrolling Agriville! Your goal to .... folks off... wow how original and uplifting.

Hope your farming goes better!

Cheers and farewell!

[ado089]

Fiscal conservative??? Where???

[TOM4CWB]

Forage....

Didn't you say:

"Oh yea feel free to type what ever you want it's an open forum and I won't be upset if it's " DERAILED" Let's have fun!!!! Just no name calling."

I guess what you really meant we can't call you out... but you can insult us.

Now to the meat of our debate:

Considering the fiscal state of the G7... plus Russia... Canada is in the best state of any of these nations... which was the Conservative Party of Canada (CPC) political stated objective going into our last Canadian general election.

We are not "Cons" as you have tagged us; I am a real person... with feelings... compassion for others... which includes 'liberal' borrowing financial resources when required... according to some right wing economists... WHICH I AM NOT... nor are the vast majority of those who elected our CPC majority now in POWER.

We all knew what the present ruling government had done before the last election... which granted them the privilege to continue that same tack... which has been accomplished with simple daily application of rational modern economics.

Some may debate the elements of modern economic theory. Fine.

The application of these principals have been handled with skill, compassion, liberal social policy, and general prosperity being the result of the governance policies applied.

I therefore applaud the intent of our governing party... the Conservative Party of Canada... which may not be conservative by some definitions... and is much more likely to be liberal politics by actual definition.

Fine with me.

The Harper government has liberal policies... being applied that are conservative when compared to the NDP, Bloc, and Communist liberal party of Canada that Justin wanders about to find a cliff to jump from.

Be a lemming Forage... follow Justin over the cliff.... or the NDP...

As was said here before... in the times we live in... this CPC leadership is negotiating the landscape with reasonable skill and within expectation of those who placed them in the position of power they now occupy.

Cheers!

God Bless Canada!

May Canada prosper and lead the world to peace and brotherly/sisterly love!!!

[sumdumguy]

Tom, how do you know Canada's in the best state? I'd say we are in a free-fall, with skyrocketting debt. The country is brim- full of resources and commodities that the world is clamouring to get their hands on and this government can't balance the books! It is shameful! They have destroyed the stability of retirees, gutted most of the western programs, decimmated the Dept of Ag, killed the savers, rewarded heaviest debtors and this is going to lead us where? There is no vision, not a boo about the big plan, because why-they don't have one, I presume. I never heard such a bunch of mutes, all they can do is point their finger at Trudeau in fear. They should have no fear - none at all!