Grading, protein, falling numbers

[ianben]

Here in UK we have similar issues which I now believe is down to the sampling alone and not dishonesty on either side.
I was on a steering group with Coors the Maltster and they could not understand why farmers could not deliver to the spec they required, and thought
were untrustworthy.
There was only one sample, in their, view the one they took from the lorry with a robot suction probe, This sample could be retested but not a new sample taken. Their whole brand and business structure depended on the belief that their testing was accurate and could not be questioned.
The fact that a load rejected one day could be loaded on a different lorry and pass the next we decided not to pursue as this made us look more dishonest.
It is just a lottery. The sample is too small for the quantity and the variation between individual grains can be huge. I believe every grain in every ear can be different spec. Give them a number like the lottery balls and then add the six winning balls to give the result, some weeks they draw all high numbers, some weeks all low. Some weeks farmers are dishonest some weeks grain companies but it is just the luck of the draw.

[checking]

Mr. Farmer.

Listen to Choice2U and Ianben. They know the truth.

Otherwise, when you go to Tom's hell, your job will be sampling continuous unloads of your truck until you find one that matches the devil buyer's.

[Braveheart]

I think you'll need Scully and Mulder to find the truth.

[Hopperbin]

One thing to think about. Carefull what we ask for. Having one body do grading means we get what they say. I tend to like to sell lower grade not intentionally growing lower but sell it as higher grade than it actually is. Foreward pricing wheat works for klause at the moment. As far as weigh scale protien moisture I cannot get any discrepancy. If you feel ****ed on unload ask for sample before they toss it. They will give it to you. Take it somewhere else for verification. I have no idea how bucket can say protien varies from test to test it does not.

[Hopperbin]

One thing to think about. Carefull what we ask for. Having one body do grading means we get what they say. I tend to like to sell lower grade not intentionally growing lower but sell it as higher grade than it actually is. Foreward pricing wheat works for klause at the moment. As far as weigh scale protien moisture I cannot get any discrepancy. If you feel ****ed on unload ask for sample before they toss it. They will give it to you. Take it somewhere else for verification. I have no idea how bucket can say protien varies from test to test it does not.

[bucket]

Watched them test the same bag at three places 12.8 to 13.4. Same 1 lb bag.

GDT, pioneer and Cargill in davidson. All within an hour.

Not unusual I have seen it before.

[JDGreen]

It is not an issue of trust in my opinion.. I will go right back to the start of knowing what you have. And I say bullshit on anyone that thinks for one minute that you can't have the same equipment and have more expertise in your own farm business than what my current delivery points have in some city kids grading grain based on a few days of courses. I don't want anymore than what I have coming to me but am tired of accepting less. I would like to move to a system of SGS samples and graded bin lots in the near future.. Certified to spec sealed lots. No different than what the grain companies currently do with their own customers.

[bucket]

All I am saying is the delivery points are going to pay you what it unloads in their facility and what their testers say.

There may be negotiation after but that's the politics of grain.

[Braveheart]

Buckets right. Your machine, if you have one doesn't matter. The buyers' tests would matter.

[Hopperbin]

Bucket is correct the unload sample is what is tested. You cannot carry your 50, 000 dollar precision tool around and expect it to work. I dissagree with you jd. I tend to sell above my grade. If your worried because you pre harvest sell then that is your choice. Dont drag everyone along with you.

[Hopperbin]

Forgot to mention jd your working toward a system that will be corrupt. I take it your going to be on some sort of board to oversee how others are graded and yours durum however ****ed will be 14dollar durum. I dont want it.

[wmoebis]

For protein I would make one suggestion.
Get a sample, have elevator clean it (properly) then divide the clean sample into two using their borner divider, send one to SGS or CGC get accurate protein test. Now you know they protein of your sample, as it will be exactly the same as the one sent in.

Then everytime you haul check their machine with your check sample, that will tell you if they are reading accurately.

If they are off you can request CGC subject to! Remember that machines are accurate to within ( or -) .2%

Pro should not change with time, My sample is the same as it was 5 years ago checked regularly on my protein machine against CGC certified check samples.