So when prices finally hit the fan now farmers are finally seeing whats going on!

[oneoff]

Big sensable talk.....but there isn't one in a hundred farmers (probably including yourself) who would have the market dicipline to follow through on even the beginning of your proposals.

[oneoff]

And as has been said


Don't blame or vent much anger on employees or local dealers. They are equally powerless; and only trained to spew the company line and earthly afraid of sticking their neck out lest their real bosses not agree with their ations or performance.

They don't make decisions; they enforce policy decisions and protect their asses. You want their ass on your mind; or just bring grief to their jobs.

Now wonder why most workers aren't looking to make waves or solve your problems?

[SASKFARMER3]

But really why should fertilizer be going up. Some one explain. They increased the price by huge margins when our price of grain increased to the new normal. HA HA HA HA HA.
Now were back to reality with our price yet fertilizer has to go up. Oneoff explain don't discuss how I am angry with employees. Explain why fertilizer has to go up.
World price for all commodities grown is in the tank. USA will distort the market as their farmers will get subsidised so yes the reality of real open market is not their. But even a smart USA farmer is not going to shoot for 200 bus corn next year.
So why is fertilizer going up. Just because it can is the answer and if farmers don't buy what the F$%k will they do with all their supply. Yes labour will get their layoff notices or fired. But if farmers quit over producing guess what we take back control.
No other industry in the world keeps over producing to get ahead.
F&%K were Stupid.

[bucket]

Fertilizer is going up because they have to dry a record corn crop.

My guess is there will be a shortage of natural gas.

Just saying they have to think of some thing.

Small increases are typically just to get guys buying because there are more coming. If every warehouse agrium has isn't stuffed then there is a problem.

[dave4441]

I love it when everyone champions free interprise when times are good and blames everyone when times are bad. This string and entire website is nothing to de with commodity marketing. It's actually pathetic. I don't even come on this thing anymore as I have better more productive ways to spend my time. And the last thing I need to do is to defend my role in the chain to anyone on here. Bunch of garbage.

How did your family obtain their wealth SF3? Did your Dad not own a machinery dealership and sell out? Why do you farm if you hate it so much?

[bucket]

Dave4441

You have noticed that elevators have gone to zero basis in later months right?

Their current price comes off mpls.

Straight across with zero basis.

What do you think the cdn price should be?

Currently it is 5.43usd mpls minus 0 basis equals 5.43 cdn.

That's only a 65 cent per bushel foreign exchange theft.

Nothing to see here folks move along.

Sign a zero basis and give them 65 cents a bushel. Why not my left and right nuts, right arm and my farm as well?

Talk marketing? There us no such thing as a market in Canada.

[dave4441]

There are ways to stop being a price taker. Go out and do something for your self and quit expecting to just dump stuff in a pit. Spend some time marketing. Less time whining.

[Crazyharrows]

Hello all new here to site thought I will put my two cents in don't know what the answer is all I know is my back is sore from being bent over from grain companies fertilizer ,chemical ****ing crazy what these high ranking people in these companies make in a year all greed born with silver spoon in their mouth like to put that spoon where sun don't shine .

[dave4441]

That's exactly my point bucket. I don't sit around looking at prices in USA and crying that someone won't hand it to me on a silver platter. Are you businessmen or a socialist who believes it should all be even for everyone.

I just came thru a year that was as good financially as last year was and last year was the best our farm had ever seen. I am sold out of product. Yes I have some advantages in this but none of it is rocket science. Could markets go up from where I sold at? Yup. Do I care? No. Because I have already started working with that cash for next year as I was doing a year ago. Will I get smoked by Mother Nature? Of course at some point. Will it be next year? Pretty likely. Will I whine on here every day about the situation and tell other people that "just wait". "Your droughts coming". Totally pathetic banter. And you guys are doing this day in and day out on here. Really?

[bucket]

Dave4441

Yes I signed contracts early for off the combine delivery. Wasn't worried about the product I have it. Good price. Can't deliver.

Maybe I should take those viterra contracts and deliver to pioneer.

Sometimes I wonder if you work for an MP.

Do I personally want a drought yes. But I am not wishing it on anyone. I just want my best land back that's under landlocked water.

[bucket]

BTW

The conservatives said the open market would prevent the nonsense of driving trucks to the states as prices evened up.

It makes sense if that the closest point to deliver to.

To drive grain south to end up going to the pnw from minot after driving by 15 cdn elevators is illogical and expensive.

I am waiting to deliver.

You also realize that American farmers are getting big government cheques. Pretty hard for my farm to compete with that.

But that's OK maybe when the American farmers fill your niche market for less money because of government help. It will work out for you.

[bucket]

Dave4441

I take it you are also ok with a government that issues a OIC with daily fines and botched the writing to weekly.

Then allows the railways to miss 5 weeks of mandated targets. And instead of issuing fines they appoint an enforcement officer.

Real competent people.