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[vvalk]

Free wheat mentions canola is much more expensive to grow then cereals. Don't grow pulses so can't reply to that. When growing malt barley you have to use certified seed $15. Have wireworms so $4 a bus treatment is another $6-$8 Use axial for wild oats and prestige for broadleaf. Find in the long term this expensive chemicals give me the best return after rebates $27 (dont need to crop scout since there is no better chem I could use) including preburn. Normally need a fungicide in malt so $7. Seed and chem come to $55. Only $10 less then canola. Trucking costs are twice to 3 times the cost of trucking canola which actually more then offsets swathing costs. Have to swath barley too some years.

[Klause]

Our variable are around 100 an acre average and our fixed around 90.


Only equipment cost we have is repairs. Buy machinery under value or in the States.


Bought first air drill for 1800 got offered 2500 on trade

Bought a 22000 d****r head for 8 grand. Bought our new 56 ft drill with variable rate drives and openers for a grand some of 2500... It'll be worth that much as scrap steel.



Our sprayer is the only exception and we do custom work with it so it makes money. Same with the semi.

I grew up on a farm were land was poor and you had to make do with 40 bu oats 25 barley 10 flax.... you learn frugality.

[Klause]

Vvalk how much is trucking when you haul 200 km grab a back haul and get paid 21 a tonne for said back haul?

[vvalk]

If you get paid $21 for a 200km trip then farmers custom trucking costs would be closer to $30 an acre alone. Those rates are 1.5 x higher ten that same haul in southern Alberta. Also in not in the commercial hauling business. Would have to run clear fuel and different insurance.

[fjlip]

Wheat 2014, using actual expenses 2013 plus adjustments for 2014

Canola is $25 higher cost, at 2014 yields =$6.85 breakeven price

See if this formats properly...

Expected Price $ 5.00 /bu
2014 Yield bu 52 bu
Total Revenue $ 260.00
Expenses
Variable Costs
Seed 1 $ 10.00
Fertilizer 1 $ 40.00
Fertilizer 2 $ 11.00
Pesticide 1 $ 24.00
Crop Insurance $ 5.00
Total Variable Cost $ 90.00
Fixed Costs
Equipment Repairs/Maintenance $ 7.02
Equipment Licensing & Insurance $ 0.19
Building Repairs/Maintenance $ 1.41
Rent - Land $ 9.31
Fuel & Lubricants $ 21.24
Wages & Benefits $ 3.32
General Farm Insurance $ 8.48
Accounting & Legal Fees $ 1.59
Utilities (Power/Phone/Gas/Water) $ 2.22
Property Taxes $ 5.42
Interest on Capital Credit $ 4.52
Principal Payments $ 22.07
Depreciation - Equipment $ 42.65
Miscellaneous Expense 2 $ 15.34
Miscellaneous Expense 4 $ 0.09
Total Fixed Cost $ 144.87
Total Expenses $ 234.87
Projected Income $ 25.13
Expense Ratio
Break-Even Break-Even Price Break-Even Yield
Cover Variable Costs $ 1.73 /bu 18 bu/ac
Cover Fixed Costs $ 2.79 /bu 29 bu/ac
Cover Total Costs $ 4.52 /bu 47 bu/ac

[Daylate]

$180 variable (disappears into dirt)
$110 fixed (disappears into thin air)

[Daylate]

WTF!!!
SORRY.
Apparently I had 30 windows open on my new phone and just realized it.

[ado089]

Let's all be a little more honest with ourselves. The number that matters is the one at the bottom of the income/expense sheet...divide it by your acre base and there's your number.

[freewheat]

Well, I do not harrow, I do not do VT. I do not run a grain cart. Often I grow half my acres to ip crops which have no trucking costs in the contracts. Lots of my grain goes to local facilities, at a cost of 6 bucks a tonne locally. So my trucking costs that I hire done are in the 5 or 6 buck an acre range... I grow few bulky crops for a distinct reason. Canary is often less than 3/4 a tonne an acre, for example.

I quit the malt barley lottery a few years back, so my seed cost for barley is contingent upon the opportunity cost of the value of feed. I clean my own seed so not cleaning costs there. I use WAY less n, WAY less S for my barley fields than canola. For me, barley is much cheaper to grow, mostly from seed savings and fertility savings.

We all do things different. NONE is right or wrong; the bottom line in our own situations is what matters most....

[jensend]

Years ago on this site I saw a really good quote: Profit is an opinion; cash flow is a fact.