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    So USA farmers are going to Cut Fertilizer Use because of prices!

    In a nutshell the industry can tell you what ever it wants in reality low prices for our products mean less use of inputs, don't let the companies fool you they know were going to cut back and they wont sell as much so that's why they want to increase the price to offset the loss of sales. Because their is no reason in the world for fertilizer to go up this fall higher than last years price. No reason at all. Just a corrupt system with no checks and balance. Its farmers against them remember that they don't care about you its just a sale.
    U.S. farmers are cutting back on spreading fertiliser this autumn in response to a drop in crop prices to multi-year lows and a delayed harvest, dealers say, warning of a pullback that will be felt from grain markets to Canadian potash mines.

    Ten of 12 U.S. farm retail companies surveyed by Reuters say fertiliser sales this autumn are lower than they were last year. The dealers, which span the country's main growing areas, sell fertiliser, seed and chemicals.

    Reductions in fertiliser use of an estimated 10 to 50 percent by volume could hit profits of producers such as Potash Corp of Saskatchewan (POT.TO) and Mosaic Co (MOS.N) since U.S. buyers typically pay a premium for some fertilizers such as potash.

    Lower fertiliser use in the world's biggest corn-growing country could also point to smaller yields and reduced U.S. corn production in 2015, depending on weather and the size of the planted area.

    Some U.S. dealers say there is still time for fertiliser sales to recover to last year's levels once farmers complete the harvest. But others fear a slump that could stretch into 2015 as low crop prices push purchases out of reach.

    "We're having customer after customer telling us they're having trouble with their banks," said Randy Stephens, president of Texas-based SureGrow Ag Products. He sees farmers cutting back by as much as 50 percent on autumn fertiliser usage.

    Farmers also face dwindling credit availability based on projections that prices for next year's crops will remain weak, he said.

    Chicago nearby corn futures Cc1 earlier this month touched their lowest price since 2009 on expectations for the biggest harvest ever.

    Dealers said farmers are likely to cut back on all three major nutrients - potash, phosphate and nitrogen - but especially potash and phosphate, which are not typically applied every year.

    Joe Dillier, director of plant food at Growmark, a cooperative organisation that spans 30 states, said fertiliser orders have been "non-existent". But he expects a sales drop of only 10 percent as big yielding crops strip the soil of nutrients.

    Farmers apply fertiliser from late October into early December, depending on the region, once the harvest is complete. The U.S. Department of Agriculture said on Oct. 14 that only 24 percent of corn was harvested, compared with the normal pace of 43 percent.

    While corn, wheat and soybean prices fall, wholesale prices for granular potash and granular urea in the U.S. corn belt were up 7 and 13 percent year over year as of Oct. 10, according to data posted by Mosaic.

    "There's going to be some cutbacks because (crop) prices are poor and inputs are too high," said Ralph Price, agronomy manager at Meadowland Farmers Co-op in Lamberton, Minnesota, who expects orders to fall 20 percent this fall.

    Not all dealers are so bearish. The reduction in sales is likely to be modest because farmers will have good cash flow after the harvest, said Bill Wolf, president of the plant nutrient group at Andersons Inc (ANDE.O).


    CUTTING BACK RISKY

    Fertiliser producers have acknowledged the possibility of a demand drop-off, but emphasise that farmers risk smaller crops and profits by cutting back.

    "This was a gigantic crop produced in the U.S. With that, there was a lot of phosphate and potash taken out of the soil," Mosaic Chief Executive Jim Prokopanko said in a Sept. 30 interview. "That has to be replenished."

    Agrium Inc (AGU.TO), which produces fertiliser and operates North America's biggest farm retail network, expects a normal fall application season, depending on when harvest wraps up, spokesman Richard Downey said.

    Mosaic recently cut phosphate production due to rising costs, and Agrium warned its final two quarters of 2014 would miss profit expectations.

    Potash Corp will be the first North American fertiliser company to report third-quarter results, on Oct. 23. Analysts expect earnings similar to those of a year earlier, when the potash market was reeling from diving prices.

    "We see the pressure of lower grain prices building (and) that should slowly erode nutrient prices and share value," Cowen Securities analyst Charles Neivert said in a note on Oct. 10.

    A possible shift in planted acres next year from corn to soybeans, a crop that uses less fertiliser, may also crimp demand.

    When sales to farmers dry up, retail dealers usually stock less inventory from wholesalers, a group that includes CF Industries Holdings Inc (CF.N) and Koch Industries Inc [KCHIN.UL]. But with huge crops backing up the transportation of many commodities, some dealers are buying supplies when they can.

    "I've never seen a year where you can't get product into our places and then once you get it here, you don't know if you can sell it to anybody," said Meadowland's Price.

    #2
    Farmers are famous for saying one thing and doing another. Fertilizer demand will drop slightly next year as farmers run out of cash and are forced to cut back. However, the land is there and most will be seeded and fertilized. I do expect some of the poorer land to be abandoned next year. Hopefully all the land that the Ontario Teachers pension fund owns is fallow in 15

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      #3
      Speaking for own farm, do not think we will cut fertilizer very much for next year.
      Would depend more on seeding conditions and how much land we abandon because of excess wetness.
      Still expect opportunity to lock in prices that will cover variable costs.

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        #4
        well we are putting gas on right now , and i know full well price wil be lower in the spring . but we are just doing fields that are rutted or need to be worked to try and dry out . we are not buying any dry fert this fall and usually we buy it all . US farmers set the fert price not us , and they sure as hell arent gong to be trying to grow 200 bpa corn which is where all the fert goes .also what about the fuel prices ? diesel has dropped every week , all that fert has to be hauled with diesel, nat gas has dropped ? our dealer said price will never drop , so i said ok price protect me then , but they sure as hell wont put there money where their mouth is !

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          #5
          It's simple.



          The us will have a major shift to beans because cop is lower. Last I checked they need no N and comparatively little p and K.


          My fert retailers want me to buy... Prices will only go up.


          Told em we have enough N pre booked To put the whole farm into a pea and oat rotation... There easy silence on the other end.

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            #6
            Klause, you made an independant critical thought and then voiced it out loud?
            The supply industry really is not "all that and a bag of chips"
            some farms are still highly addicted to canola for cash flow. Their rotations are so polluted, they need the supply side but will not admit it. Some guys are spraying stubble with some sclerotinia, or sclerotia killer (or whatever, i dont completely care because of the absurdity of it al) knowing full well they will still be spraying fungicides next summer.
            If you are the supplier, that is good business.
            If you are the farmer, its time to question your existence.

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              #7
              Ya... I don't get that.



              120 bu oats * 3 / bu = 360 an acre. Our seed is $4/bu so $12/ac $30 for fert $30 for chem/fung.

              55 * 6 = 330 for peas. Can move those off combine reliably. $20 for seed. $40 for fert. $40 for chems. Done deal again.


              Then there's canola.

              40 * 9 = 360

              Seed.... 65. Chem 40. Fert 60.

              HMMMMMM.

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                #8
                Yes dropping 1000 acres of canola makes money it's a expensive input crop! Switch to oats and soy and peas! Hm maybe 3300 oats 3300 soy and 3300 peas! My supplier just phoned you can't do that, I need to increase my canola sales to get a bigger discount if I lose acers I loose my bonus! KNow we have no power!

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                  #9
                  60 for fert on canola, I always at lest 100 dollars but I going on strike this fall, no fert and take a chance it goes lower, I'm gonna hurt those guys with my 700 acres .

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                    #10
                    But if we all cut back or said f$&m you it would make a statement! Ah farming!

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                      #11
                      Sask your thinking of planting 3300 acres of peas????

                      Omg


                      Better throw another 1000 acres to the oats side of things.

                      Reminds me of the saying...

                      Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and your a thousand miles from a corn field.

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                        #12
                        U thinking out loud SF3. Thot u said screw the peas next year. I realize u gotta fill those acres with something but hard to understand why peas after this year.

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                          #13
                          Yes but costs will be watched very close in 2015. Dropping fert use by 20%
                          110 is 88 canola and 75 is 55 on hrs that's my ammonia. fert blend will stay the same or maybe down 20% also.
                          Soil tests are showing will work.

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                            #14
                            Just a note, we have soil tests back and wow, they are calling for a lot more needed in 2015 vs 2014.

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                              #15
                              Brave you must have been skimping the last few years. HA HA HAHHAHA

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