interesting... oats

[Klause]

50 lbs n with seed 36 lbs a bu

30/20 top dress 41 lbs




Weights are low b/c of frost but still

[freewheat]

Tis interesting. I always marvel at what we do and do not know, and how different conditions play a role in results.

Makes one wonder.

[furrowtickler]

Not much to wounder about , we are one of the only "developed" ag areas that does not top dress. We have been programmed to pound the fert down at seeding and the requires an enormous investment in iron and tech with the push now on VR to help distribute that huge one time investment before we even see the crop.
We have seen similar results in wheat and actualy canola bus weights with top dressing - but we in western canada have been brain washed into full fert at seeding with extreemly expensive seeding outfits . One of the only places in the world .
Funny thig is , we go to several (10-12) different farms each year with a weigh wagon for trials - canola and now wheat , but the seeding outfit and high rates of fert at seeding time have very little coralation to the highest yields and or test weights. One thing stands out though every time - good managers of time and resources always generate the highest yields regardless of farm size or type of equipment . Case in point - the highest canola yield has come from a guy with a 20 yr old Bourgault 8800 single shoot . This year he was still top 3 . And yes he is now top dressing

[freewheat]

I think you missed my wonderment. I have been topdressing for 20 years. My point is that none of this is being tested in western Canadian research to my knowledge. We have also always been told too much n on oats causes low test weights. I have never seen this to be the case. Ever.

The same goes for early seeding. 9 times out of ten where I come from, barring a hideous frost, late seeded crops outperform early.

Things work differently every year, on every farm. A one size fits all kind of thing is simply not accurate.

I wonder about a lot of things...

[seabass]

I'd have to call bullshit on late seeded crop out yielding early. Maybe only on your farm but by the sound of your posts your always seeding late so u don't have much to compare to.

[BreadWinner]

Folicur worked wonders on our oats crop this year, Sprayed at flag leaf. Sprayed crops 45 lb bus weight and yielding over 110, crops not sprayed yielding 80 with less than 40 lb/bus. we use 60 lbs N and no topdress.

[freewheat]

Seabass, you may think what you wish. My point is, we are not all struggling for, and hoping for a rain, and we do not all get July "heat" which is the theory behind lower yields for later seeded.

Yes, the last decade, seeding in Early May has not happened much, but this is my 22nd crop, so I have seen a lot of stuff happen. No one goes out to intentionally seed late because it yields more, myself included, but around here, early seeded crops suffer from cold, wet soil. crops seeded later have warm soil, and emerge twice as fast...

[SASKFARMER3]

Freewheat yes in East Sask the later seeded Canola and Oats and Barley and HRS 9 out of 10 years yield insane vs the early seeded. You are correct. It doesn't sit their in cold damp ground. its up and going and catches up to the early seeded.

[Braveheart]

We were always leery about seeding oats too early. Thought they were "soft" and could be hurt by a spring frost.

Also, it used to help get wild oats started, seed then do a burn off just before the oats emerged. Made for cleaner oats.

Oats was one of the crops that really shone in Pesticide Free Production.

[Braveheart]

What product does everyone use for top dress? We kinda lost interest in it once 34-0-0 became unavailable. Are you going with 46-0-0 or UAN?

[Hopperbin]

Klause did you not have one planted early and one late. One stayed green. The heavy apeared thinner Stand. What about your etherel app. Justgood to have all the details.

[Klause]

Hopper,

These trials are on the late seeded. The early was standard treatment... and yield suffered from that first hail storm.


The whole field got Ethrel. Half got top dressed the other half got all at once.

Yup you could see the line down the field for maturity. The west half was top dressed.

[furrowtickler]

As far as seeding date and yeild - 9 times out of ten the best canola in this area is seeded before the 20th of May .
Actualy all crops for the highest yield an best quality are generally seeded before the long weekend in May
But like anywhere - there is the odd exception that happens .

[ado089]

I've seen similar results from top dress and ESN. Shorter thinner crop with more and heavier seeds. 64# wheat, 56# canola. Oats this year ran 160 by volume will be close to 200 on weight. 60# of N, twinline at flag planted the last week of may. If fertilizer is cheap and conditions good I prefer ESN. If it's late, wet, dry, expensive I prefer UAN with a splash of sulfur at elongation. I'm keeping an eye on some foliar products, mixed results but they show promise if they get there price in line.

[Klause]

Ado we are using 5 lbs actual S when top dressing as a poor man's Agrotain....


Also old manitoba trick spraying liquid S on peas works wonders