interesting... oats

[Hopperbin]

No thats totally ****ed up. Any claim of a yield b ushel weight on that field from what you did is ****ed up.

[Hopperbin]

No thats totally ****ed up. Any claim of a yield b ushel weight on that field from what you did is ****ed up.

[Klause]

Somebody's ****ed up alright...


I have no idea where you got that from.

It was seeded sprayed and combined n/s.


There are 3 strips of opposing treatment on each side of the field. They run n/s and they are 60 feet wide.


Swather cut 1 30 ft swath out of them.


On e half of field the test strips ended up only half the length of the field on the N half because we ran outta product



I know you don't like to think so... but I do k ow what I'm doing.

[furrowtickler]

hopper kinda sounds like you saskcan - lol
Know the facts before disagreeing.
BTW - instead of coffee shop b/s, stop by and I will show you all the foliar results first hand , good, even and negative. Plus all the phone numbers of guys who used the products - please don't go by hear say - . You shoulda came out this summer to that missed strip in the peas, you never did come over for that one. We will have a full report on that as well from the Rack in a few days - btw it was not all just root rot or what ever the coffee shop said it is/was.

[sumdumguy]

Klause, you live too close to Hopper. Can you buy him out?

[saskcanfarmer]

Furrow - I dispute a lot of salesmen. Not saying you're wrong with your assetments just saying that somethings need to be taken with a grain of salt. Unless I hear it from the horses mouth I call it coffee shop talk. Figure of speech. Normally other salesmen trying to sell their own product. I try and trial a lot of products trying to squeeze out the extra dollar. Krugler probably won't be one. It is the same as many products of the past IMO. A pound of N is a pound of N no matter how the plant gets it. If you want to get seriously into top dressing there are a lot cheaper products. Yes you can add Krugler to you herb/fungi apps. Yes it claims to have a low salt index. If you are deficient on other macros come fungi timing you are to late. I believe you should see a benefit with the product but I also believe there are better ROI to be had. It's not a snake oil just over priced fert. It will be interesting to see % of return customers on the products.

Now onto Heat. Again I don't dispute that it was a mitigating factor in the downfall of a couple of your fields but I know for a fact it wasn't the ultimate on mine or others who's field peas had the same fate. I have side by sides as do others showing crop rotation or frequency of peas seeded was the ultimate factor (as well as moisture obviously). I have a feeling it probably wasn't a battle worth fighting for. Will we see an addition to the label? Maybe? Just my humble opinion.

With that being said I always respect someone who has a passion for farming like you do. I always look forward to your results be it variety chemical fert or whatever it might be. We farm a different way. You make it work and I make it work. We love what we do or we wouldn't try to improve. If I didn't question you I couldn't get the answers and I couldn't hold salesmen/farmers accountable. Sorry for rambling along. Might even try a pioneer canola this year! Still looking for a RR variety I like.

[saskcanfarmer]

Prove me wrong. I love being proved wrong if it means more money in my pocket.

[furrowtickler]

So what products are cheaper that can be applied with Herbicide and or fungicide at meaningfull rates with no risk of crop burn? Just asking, so I can do comparison's next year.
If you have never tried a product you should not make a statement about it.
What other product is out there like Kugler? Alpine has a few, but nothing with as low salt index. Been using Alpine products for 11 years now.
What other products are out there for the serious top dresser? Ive tried Black Lable products, "Best' products, ATP products and a few others as well as 28-0-0, 46 -0-0, 21-0-0-24.
We have been top dressing our crops for about 15 years, Have yet to meet anyone locally that is more serious about it. But will gladly love to talk shop talk and get more pointers.
Fall meeting is Oct 30th at the North Star game - will have all info there for everyone to see, good or otherwise.
Around the office most of the time , stop in and I will show what we seen.
Sorry for rambling on, I just don't speculate on products I have never used.

[saskcanfarmer]

28-0-0 is the best bang for your buck too dressing. No questions about it. Is top dressing the same as foliar feeding??

And once again I'm not saying the product(s) doesn't work I'm saying their are better investments.

[furrowtickler]

We have used 28-0-0 lots before as well, 15 years off and on, and your right - best bang for your buck. But It needs rain to get it into soil then into plant. The last few years it has worked very well with rains every 3-4 days, but over the years we have top dressed 28-0-0 that is very rare in this area. Also needs a separate application.
I have also had high leaf burn, stunted my crop and applied 28-0-0 then had no rain for 2 weeks and lost most of it. 28 with liquid sulfer works well, as Klause says poor mans agrotain - but still need rain to get it into plant.
Have you tried 'melting' down 46-0-0? Some have on agriville here - I think Ado in one.

[saskcanfarmer]

I would counter and say Krugler at herbicide timing also needs a rain because as much as 75% of spray will miss target but that's just a number. I'm sure T Wolf would have the number.

I have not tried melting 46. Heard many success stories but we keep talking about efficiencies and time management. I would suspect it's pretty labour and time intensive? Maybe not?

[furrowtickler]

BTW - 99% of "Salesman" in these products have absolutely zero experience with them in the field , so I am not really a salesman , more of a curious farmer that is tring to offer something different that can save you "time" and put a few more bucks in your pocket. But your right it may not be a fit for your farm, but you cant discount it if you never had it on your farm or at least come see the results first hand.
One other issue we have had several times with 28-0-0 is that if we were lucky to time it just right with a rain, in wheat, the N went mostly straight into straw and caused excessive lodging if applied at the right time for yield impact - yes we got the yield but had to fight lodged crop.
We hit my target this year on 600 ac of hrsw of 70 bus and 14 pro with 54 lbs seed placed N then top dressed Kugler with very little lodging except for overlaps on headlines. Those were the same results we got from two of our trials and from two other farms in the area. It was nice to combine at 4.5mph in standing wheat rather than 2.5mph in lodged wheat. Standing wheat yielded better and had better protein.