Ebola

[parsley]

Hedgehog, is there any impact yet, on the farm community, or concern by the farm community, since Sharia Law has been introduced into your Parliament? Pars

[parsley]

Hedgehog, I'm wondering about influences such as federal regulations for halal butchering and labelling, for ag banking, for gender of land ownership, for capital gains for farms etc. Pars

[charliep]

Not suggesting we shouldn't be vigilent on ebola but there are lots of other nasty diseases to be aware of in North America. Entervirus D68 and children is something that should be on our radar. This year has potential to be another nasty flu season.

[Rareearth]

Why This Years Flu Could Be Worse Than Others

Flu season in the US is officially underway. but the medical profession is urging this might be the year to get one??? Many in the world of medicine track the flu season in Australia as a predictor of how the flu will play out in the US. The reason is because the flu season in Australia is just the opposite of the US. It starts in May and ends in October, here in the US the flu season starts in October and ends in May (most commonly peaks between December and February). The theory is that the flu virus in ​the ​southern hemisphere can help predict which types, or strains, of the virus will cause the most sickness in the coming season. It was recently announced that twice as many cases of the flu were reported this year in Australia compared to last year. This is making people nervous and concerned that the flu here in the US could be a real doozy. There's actually some talk H1N1, the virulent strain that caused 13,000 deaths during the 2009 pandemic​,​ might make another reappearance. The real fear is that the current H1N1 strain mutates itself into the one that caused 675,000 American deaths in 1918. Consider that the national population then barely topped 103 million, which means one of every 153 people died form complications of the flu. Many people have obviously since developed some immunity to that strain, but if it mutates into a more contagious, deadly strain, another pandemic is certainly possible. Health officials and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are recommending people get immunized as soon as vaccines are available to reduce infection risk. The CDC recommends the live attenuated nasal spray vaccine for children ages 2 to 8 and the quadrivalent injected vaccine for everyone older. Some health officials, however, are recommending the high-dose trivalent vaccine for people 65 and older, on claims that it’s more effective for that age group. The chart below is form the Royal Bank of Canada, it shows how US flu outbreaks track similar to those preceding in Australia. (Source: Center For Disease Control & Prevention)

[hedgehog]

I dont think we have sharia law in parliament.
Halal slaughter does go on, if it wasnt for all our muslims, the sheep trade would be terrible.
Ramadam week is the time to sell your old ewes.

[greybeard]

"Canada has tolerated an accelerated influx of immigrants over the past few decades"
You must be talking about the native Canadians when you say "tolerated".
42 million people indicate Canada as the destination of choice for immigration.
Obviously we can't take them all.
Our birth rate is lower than our death rate. Who will grow this country in the short to mid term?
The real question is how do you cull through the undesirables and end up with the real contributors. There are lots of examples of success in all communities if you look for them.

[hedgehog]

Land ownership is the preserve of the super rich in britain again.
£10k per acre is beyond any farmers pocket.
But you can rent it for £200/ac

[blackpowder]

Gonna stand with Parsley on this one.
I don't wish for my grandkids to grow in a country where more and more interactions are with a group of people keeping themselves distinct and apart while their females are hidden from view and all the truck parking areas in the country are increasingly littered with human excrement.
Yes we have things to fix in our own backyard, but we don't need more people shitting in it while we clean it.
I will always support immigrants like my hired man. Pride of work and self are his motto.

[oneoff]

Therein lies the problem

Human beings have always been more or less mobile beings and as such, most citizens fall into one or more classes of first "settlers", immigrants, passer's through and their generations of progeny in foreign lands .

To now unilaterally decide that racism and selected foreign exclusion is the new norm has the potential to define the present population in some pretty unflattering ways.

Perhaps becoming a full fledged citizen of a new country should require swearing full allegiance to that host country. That includes breaking ties and allegiances to the country those "guests" have come from. Nothing wrong with tying serious choices to long term contracts. That should/
could be seen as a choice that had to be made in order to make a change; and that final citizenship decision is undeniably in the hands of the country the application is being made to.

Otherwise, it quite possible that some new citizens will come to decide that "picking and choosing" between past and present are mistakenly seen as personal options. This can obviously lead to sources of great future problems for those countries who have granted new citizenship.

But looking for just a new wave of the best hired men; or menial task fillers for jobs no Canadian would perform at minimum (or lower) wages and unlimited hours is exactly what slave owners were basing their decisions on when looking after their labor needs. And some of those owners no doubt also attempted to treat their "employees" or "property" in ways that would maximize productivity and minimize labor turnover.

And that where probing questions and serious long term decisions should be outside the personal needs and goals of businessmen who see new opportunities that are changing the countries labor fabric.

There's more at stake than personal businessmen's needs and shaking up a young labor force with possibly different evolving goals.

[blackpowder]

Well said oneoff. I agree. Full allegiance, melting pot etc.
And I do find myself less tolerant of "different" as I get older.
Part of the problem might be the risk of having such a discussion openly without being accused of starting a pogrom. Hence, silence.
And, my seasonal hired man wishes to emigrate at which point I will sponsor him if necessary and help him towards a better job. A pay scale perhaps you can afford Massa? Get off your horse.

[boarderbloke]

pars, oneoff, others, anyone???

If ebola is so contagious, please explain how NONE OF THOSE that were living with T. Duncan in that small apartment/motel room, came down with ebola?

He had to be in a contagious stage for a couple days prior to reaching the point when he became so violently ill. Still the people continued to live there for a day or to, before the CDC arranged for the place to be cleaned and decontaminated.

Yet two nurses, mostly covered in protective gear, and at this point knowing they're dealing with an ebola patient, still contracted the disease? How can that be?

How come no one else in the emergency waiting room or any medical personal that dealt with T. Duncan's first visit to the hospital, when it was unknown that he had ebola, was so sick, and protective garb wasn't wore, contracted ebola? None of those people contracted ebola.

Something is a little off with this story. Yes, I know this sounds a little Alex Jones'ish, but what gives? No one other than the two nurses have contracted ebola, from T. Duncan.

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[charliep]

The CBC national did a really good job of answering questions on Ebola including the one from the last post. Ebola is transferred in body fluids. The sicker a person is with Ebola, the more more contagious they are. In the early stages of the disease, a person is not very contagious.

Go to minute 30 of the national.

[URL="http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/TV%20Shows/The%20National/ID/2565985581/"]the national[/URL]

[oneoff]

Viruses multiply at a rate along the lines of 1,2,4,8,16,32,64.128.256.512,1024,2048,5096,10,000 ,20,000,40,000,80,000,160,000,320,000,640,000,1M,2 M,4M,8M,16M,32M,64M,128M,256M,500M,1B etc etc until you are in really big numbers or some control measure is employed to stop that spiral growth or the human body works to limit those "virus" numbers available for reproduction. And the time frames per "doubling" may be something of the order of 20 minutes (I don't know anywhere exactly).

The major safety gear is layers of impermeable clothing and common bleach and disinfectants by the barrel..

But what to do with mountains of one time use protective garb and masks and needles and tubes and bedsheets and excrement and vomit and wipes and such infrastructure as sewer pipes that lead to your city lagoons and waste disposal area that have to be maintained. Or protecting the cleaning personelle in public and even private washrooms. Or even any food preparation area or restaurant. Hard to catch, ornot, isn't the issue. There is no room for even one such virus particle in the public world environment.

There are now trillions of such particles and those numbers are currently still increasing with no end in sight........When that corner is turned; then some progress can be made to actually bring new case levels down (and risk) closer to zero.

For any of that to happen; it is going to be a complete turnaround for those who staunchly avoid any perceived personal health risk (no matter how small)...to now accept an ebola type potential epidemic (no matter how small it may turn out to be in the coming months).

I will refrain from mentioning specific "glyphosate"; organic crusades; chemical pesticides residues and other phytosanitary issues that some have seen as major concerns. Just why isn't an ebola problem included in that list.