what to use for wild oat control in canary

[Hopperbin]

Freewheat. Just got off phone with guy from Gowan Canada. He says now is still a good time to apply avadex. Give me lots of info on what people are doing. Some actually put on frozen ground or even on light snow. My situation with the thick canola trash but good harrow job is also possibly good although not labelled but is what people do. I asked if can put on my 90 percent plus trash layer now with no incorporation and seed into it in spring and apparently from what he says lots of people up here are doing just that And canola stubble is best to do it in And prefer this time line to do it. Now I dont believe everything I hear but I feel he is correct. Spider senses. Can anyone talk me out of it? Going ahead like neutered cat out of stove pipe. Actually maybe start wednesday damb weekend.

[bgmb]

We have applied granular avadex to untouched 50bu per acre canola stubble harrowed twice after with good results

[Hopperbin]

One thing is avadex is best kept in a shallow layer As possible with good mixing. Canary especially the planting seed needs to be below the treated layer. Apparently if spread properly soil mixing is not neccessary. It activates in soil with moisture and temperature. Each granule will spread in a radius around it.

[farmaholic]

Sorry to be cynical guys but it amazes me how before the no-till era these granular products needed to be incorporated(twice) at certain depths at right angles to each other, yadda yadda yadda, then over time, farming practices change and it is suddenly good enough to spread on top and at the very most, harrow. I'm sure(hopefully) actual tests have been done to prove it's efficacy. Avadex is a nice break from group 1 and 2.

[Hopperbin]

Farmaholic avadex was always recommended shallow as it works as wild oats grow through the layer. Treflan was is recommended deeper into the seed zone where the weeds germinate.

[Klause]

Which Gowan rep did you talk to?


They were at blairs and got thoroughly botched out for recommending applying it off label... When it doesn't work they apparently tell you you are sol and on your own just something to think about


Basically you need it in contact with dirt for it to work. You don't want it in the seed row so spreading in spring and then running the master over it would work the granules in too deep.


I don't get why you wouldn't get that phoenix from horizon and be done with it... Wouldn't take much longer than just a valmar.

UAP did quit Making avenge in 2012... I found 2 pallets though in Manitoba if you want to use it.

[freewheat]

Farmaholic, in a conventional tillage system they still recommend for the avadex to be incorperated twice. In a zero til situation, the wild oats seed bank is on the soil surface or right near to it, so surface app is effective. Conventional till, the wild guys are throughout the soil tillage profile.

That is why recommendations change and why many studies these days recommend NO disturbance at all on fall applied product. At least in a zero till system.

[seabass]

Contrary to what klaus says. U dont need to harrow the granular avadex this fall. Just float it on with your potash or valmar it on alone, leave it til spring and then harrow it. Harrowing will warm soil and activate avadex as it warms up.

[fjlip]

I used a lot in the 80's, and do remember that soil needs to be warm to activate. Treflan similar. Always had escapes in cold wet areas. Need to touch up with post emerge. But sure cleaned up wild oats for years.

[Hopperbin]

Basically you need it in contact with dirt for it to work. You don't want it in the seed row so spreading in spring and then running the master over it would work the granules in too deep.   

How much sense does that make?

 I don't get why you wouldn't get that phoenix from horizon and be done with it... Wouldn't take much longer than just a valmar.

Cause that machine is non existent

And I am interested in what works. By the time the chem is comfirmed not working its too late Anyway so best to avoid in first place. Klause i am 49 years old. Only once in my life I had weed spray not work. Last year with fna's horizon equiv. Am doing pretty good. When times were tough I made it through a full 20 years of half rate of puma. Worked excellent for a full twenty years. I am more interested in what farmers are doing that works than what the agronomist can guarantee. Even yourself is using off label shit all the time. So you can understand.

[farmaholic]

Hopper and freewheat. Ya I remember that avadex was having the wild oats being controlled by the shoot growing through a tfeated layer and the other treflan product contolled weeds "germinating" in the treated layer (?????)

I would think there would be "stripping" with todays no till systems compared to the old intensive seeding methods (hoe/press drills and air seeders with harrow packers) that would mix more soil and leave a more even distribution of chemical. I'm not arguing it doesnt work but it seems to be one extreme method to another. It would a layer of dirt over it to work, wouldn't it? Low spots that have alot of residue is where wild oats usually are and how do you mix the chem properly if its simply spread on top then seeded into?

[Hopperbin]

My fields will be planted straight up and down. Different than planting around sloughs. Low spots may be cool and chem slow to work. So spot spraying may be needed if planting early am thinking. Wild oats will also grow here under a double harrow opperation.. do like klause and get chem money back after the fact or