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    Editorial: Wheat prices – a great big mess

    Critics of the Canadian Wheat Board used to routinely point to published price quotes for U.S. Dark Northern Spring (DNS) wheat from the Pacific Northwest (PNW) and assume that was a benchmark price for all wheat sold in the world. If the board got less, it must have screwed up, said the critics.

    In fact the DNS price tends to be at a premium for several reasons, not least of which was that it was a price for Japan, which pays a premium for high-quality spring wheat. It also used to pay a premium for Canadian CWRS over DNS.

    Apparently not anymore. Again, not all spring wheat trades at the PNW price. But why is Canadian CWRS being offered at almost $70 under DNS? On Oct. 24, CWRS 13.5 per cent f.o.b. Vancouver was quoted at $331.26. On the same day DNS 13.5 per cent f.o.b. Portland was quoted at $399.73.

    Though the price spread is not as dramatic, the numbers from last week’s Iraq grain board tender for 50,000 tonnes of hard wheat are even more disturbing. Here are the “ciffo” (landed in Iraq) offers: (the Canadian one was for 100,000 tonnes; apparently the seller was eager).

    Canada: $323.40;
    Australia: $331.22;
    Russia: $336.50;
    U.S.: $352.70.

    That’s right, Canadian wheat is being offered at $13 under Russian wheat, and almost $30 under the U.S. We already knew the system was in a mess, but these numbers emphasize that it’s not just a mess — it’s a great big mess. What’s to be done?

    Let’s start by emphasizing to supporters of the old wheat board that it’s never coming back, so let’s forget about fighting that battle. By the same token, opponents of the old board need to acknowledge the problems arising from ending its monopoly. That may or may not have been a good idea, but it’s now apparent that doing it so abruptly has had major implications for co-ordination of the system. Having the biggest player in place for 77 years and then eliminating it overnight was akin to putting a stick of dynamite under the system and hoping that all the parts would fall back in the right place. They didn’t.

    The theory behind ending the monopoly was that it would create competition for the farmers’ grain — that is, the companies would sharpen their pencils and lower their handling costs, therefore leading to a higher price on the driveway.

    There are a couple of things wrong with that theory. One is that it’s clear that competition is working all right — the companies are now so eager to compete with each other that they’re even undercutting Russian wheat.

    But even if they weren’t, there’s another problem. The companies only need to sharpen their pencils and compete on the driveway if there is unrestricted access to the marketplace, which means the railways supplying every car requested and delivering it on time. It seems the only time we have that happy situation is when there is the unhappy one of a small crop. Otherwise, competition works — the farmers compete with each other to deliver, which means the companies can lower their price.

    Currently, that means a nice margin for the grain companies (although it would be even nicer if they sold at Russian prices) because the railways can only charge as much as the legislated revenue cap allows. The solution, say some, is to get rid of the revenue cap — if farmers paid more to the railways, they’d supply more cars. That would be like the U.S. system, where grain companies currently have to bid premiums of up to $6,000 a car.

    So even if you really believe that the railways would supply more cars, what we’re really talking about is keeping the basis the same, but giving more to the railways and less to the grain company.

    There are disturbing rumblings that the federal government thinks that’s part of the U.S. system that we should copy. Unfortunately, it hasn’t seen fit to put in place any of the other framework that makes the open-market system work. Unlike in the U.S., there is no mandatory reporting of export sales. There is no routine collection and reporting of export quotes, local cash market prices, prices received at country elevators or vessels arriving in port.

    An open-market system only works properly if all the players have equal access to information. So far, the grain companies and railways hold all the cards, though if we look at export sales prices, it doesn’t look like the companies are playing them particularly well.

    What’s needed now is not an argument on the merits or otherwise of the old wheat board, but concerted pressure on the federal government to establish a regulatory framework for the open market to work properly. Right now, it sure doesn’t.
    john.morriss@fbcpublishing.com

    #2
    I'd be more apt to compare it to the US vesrsus the Russian price because of distance to market, which makes the comparison even more stark.

    Do you think the sellers of Canadian grain abroad really care about your margins or theirs?

    Really now. They're likely doing fine.

    $6.00 net to you is about $220/tonne.

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      #3
      I will be a farmer to put up his hand and take responsibility for being part of this current cluster****. The MPs had no problem listening when their agenda was to get rid of the cwb.

      Now they can't be bothered to listen to ideas to fix the problems they created by implementing the open market so badly.

      It goes back to infrastructure, reporting and level of service no one wants to tackle.

      Overall very dissappointed.

      And to be now lumped in with pricing competetive to Russia we are now on the race to the bottom.

      That's something to be proud of. Hey?

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        #4
        Although the comparison the Russian wheat is very valid given its proximity to the Middle East.

        But as I said. Maybe take what your getting paid and compare it to the bid price. Taking overland freight, ocean freight, inland and port terminal charges into account.

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          #5
          I too wouldn't say the move to an open market was wrong but it's implementation was a complete **** up. They had one goal in mind and never thought out the ramifications of it. Now it's reactionary damage control and we've seen meaningless or little if any of that either.

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            #6
            Someone is making good margins but it isn't farmers who are paying the transportation costs and losing the fx to boot.

            Look at mpls where every canadian grainco starts their pricing from. Add in a positive basis and end up with less than mpls price in cdn dollars.

            It's absurd and every farm group is quiet.

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              #7
              Elevators should bid on cars!
              Those that have the sales can keep their buyers happy.
              Railway revenue cap stays. All overage on car bids goes into federal ag account to be spent on infrastructure and infrastructure alone. With direct value into railway shares or the railway never owns it if the value is not agreed apon and is bought by whoever. The regions that require the most infrastructure would be reflected in cars bids, and stay within that area. re. East central sask or whatever.
              Just thinking out loud. Shoot me down please. Lets find something that works!!!

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                #8
                I once asked a grainco rep this question.

                When I sign a 100 tonne contract 6 months in advance, you guys order the car for that grain? Or for that matter any multiple of 100 tonnes you order the required cars for the time frame?

                Answer: no.

                It's a ****ed up system. And no one wants to fix it.

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                  #9
                  The local elevator's deferred contracts are all at head office, which orders cars from RR for grain in or being delivered at that time. HOWEVER, the G'dam RR DECIDE where the hell the cars go!
                  That's the **** up!

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                    #10
                    fjlip: Are you sure that is how the system works or is it HO that changes the spot?

                    Not arguing, I really don't know, have never been able to figure that out or told by anybody in the real know.

                    It always seemed funny to me that an elevator would fill with one product at HO's request then at the last minute they would be told to ship a different product.

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                      #11
                      "Wheat prices – a great big mess"

                      I am surprised that the folks in Japan are even offering that much for our wheat. Since we break contracts.... leave ships waiting for months to load... and have very different quality than the US DNS quoted.

                      The CWB could play games all they wanted...
                      make all the claims they made about our quality being better than DNS...
                      and the ability to deliver.... when we shipped wheat from one end of the country to the other... to fill the orders for sales to Japan.

                      Russians can deliver Canadian quality wheat... just as well as we can from western Canada. The fact we are within $8/t of Ausie wheat... should tell us the market is competitive... and we have a large volume of CWRS to sell... which shouldn't be a surprise to any farmer in western Canada!!!

                      AND the fact that Canola has gained over $1/bu in the last month... should tell growers the system does work... when market forces are allowed to pull prices straight! Like $10/bu Canola is back!

                      The basis has narrowed in western Canada. US Hard Red Winter is worth MORE than DNS.

                      We are getting EXACTLY what we deserve for our wheat. Just as we did in CWB days... only the pool averaging is missing.

                      Facts:

                      From DTN Nov 6 2014 CWB report:

                      "Projected Canadian Western Red Spring (CWRS) returns ranged from C$247 to C$290 per tonne in the annual pool, and C$254 to C$297 in the winter pool.

                      The last report had CWRS between C$244 and C$287 for the annual pool, and C$251 to C$294 in the winter pool."

                      Those are Nov 2014 CWB port prices.

                      So... is the CWB undercutting every one else... just like they always did before????

                      Chuckchuck... take a valium and call us in the morning!

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                        #12
                        Buyer with 20 plus years at various companies seems to know and is trustworthy. Many times HO says cars are coming and last minute RR does NOT spot and maybe next week, because they went to another more convenient spot. It's just a mess of shitty communication and power play by RR's. Screwed up system, embarrassing for the 21st century!

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                          #13
                          Since Japan must blend CWRS into DNS quality wheat to put it into their flour grist...

                          The blending cost to get rid of our CWRS can't be cheap!!! What percent CWRS to DNS quality does Japan use each year? 20 percent CWRS quality to 80 percent DNS in Japanese bakeries be close?

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                            #14
                            BTW Chuckchuck,

                            Tell my why Glencore, Cargill, Richardson's, or Paterson would undercut each other and lower high quality wheat prices... since they now have a monopoly on the worlds high quality wheats?

                            There is NO benefit to them at all to price discount CDN wheat. Only lost profit.

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                              #15
                              fjlip

                              the grain cos have a fair bit of control over where they get their cars spotted. Maybe they cant get every car where they want exactly when they want but they do choose where cars are spotted.

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