Canada to sell wheat to Iraq???

[parsley]

rookie,

It will happen rookie, and particularly if the spark of thought that endorses the idea, " we have to give terrorist groups ( a b c) or they'll do something bad to us" , keeps cropping up and is floated by our leaders.
We used to call this blackmail. By bullies.

Many terrorist groups are filled with militants who are NOT poor, or who are NOT born in poverty. Let's call a spade a spade.

Parsley

[rookie]

If this will happen I really don't know. But I am pretty sure we live in a gutless country that spends a huge amount of time " talking the talk ". Walking is certainly another story for too many. We are a country of politicians in my opinion. Looks like rain today............

[parsley]

With all of them suntanning under the protection of the American's military umbrella( who just happen to pick up 90% of our defense tab)!

Add that to our national debt, with the biggest portion of it owed to Wall Street, and where does that leave Canada if we alienate the USA?

Between a rock and a hard place, wouldn't you say, rookie? If Canadians enjoy being under the umbrella, and if they enjoy lining up on Wall Street to refinance their loans, is it a good idea to court Iraq with grain deals at this particularly volatile time? If farmers actually ran they CWB, would they decide to follow this route?

Parsley

[rookie]

I don't have exact figures to back that data up you cited, but certainly there is no easy fix for where we are as a nation. I do doubt that farmers were responsible for putting us there. And if they ran cwb... well, I would hope there is other avenues in this world to sell grain and make a bit of money. I am of the opinion that as long as things aren't in our back yard ( litterally ) and are happening in so called ' moderation ' no one notices and or cares. And I feel thats unfortunate. For example after september 11, there is more interest in the terroist fight. Gee, wonder why? But the problem was there before, but not in our back yard. Its too bad but does anyone think the world is less violent today compared to say 20 or even 50 years ago. I personally feel that threats like someone marching over the border are less, however those threats have evolved into the kind of crap facing our countries today. That is where the connection is to me. And it is getting more serious. I don't think we as a country would send wheat over as apache choppers are doing there thing. And all the debate about having to help those in need is fine but does anyone really think the "dark side" will convert to be like us anytime soon. But , Its' about all our country is capable of doing . And I personally am not proud of it. Somewhere along the line I hope we don't wish we all tried a little harder .

[TOM4CWB]

Parsley;

I see the Canadian gov./CWB is now denying it meant to sell wheat to Iraq... and denying it sold wheat to Iraq last crop year...

OOOOpppps...

The Western Producer had the article, Sept 19 2002, Page 20... "Ottawa denies wheat sale to Iraq"

The next day after the Reuters report,

"Agriculture Canada official Bernard Badani said in an interview the minister wasn't really talking about an impending sale."

"Instead, he was indicating that such a sale would be legal...."


What a tangled web we weave...

[parsley]

Good reporting, tom4CWB. Here's the MInister vs the bureaucrat in the capsule:

Canadian Agriculture Minister Lyle Vanclief:

QUOTE
"We supplied some wheat to Iraq last year,' Vanclief told Reuters. 'It is my understanding that there may be some of that type of commerce taking place this year.'"


Bernard Badani:

QUOTE
"Agriculture Canada official Bernard Badani said in an interview the minister wasn't really talking about an impending sale."
"Instead, he was indicating that such a sale would be legal...."

So, who is really making the sales here? It sure isn't in the hands of the farmer

Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Rookie;

I believe non violence is the only policy that will ever create a peaceful world.

The more the wars, the more wars are seen by the rest of civilisation to be a practical solution to violence.

There can be no question that violence breeds violence, therefore "changing" someone's mind on a certain issue doesn't come from... clubing them over the head with a sledge hammer...

Freewill and love, patience, hope, and faith, create a society that is constructive and caring.

But these atributes are not macho or as seductive as raw power that can blow a mountain off the face this planet.


We obviously are no further ahead than we were at the end of the 2nd WW, now the US has a first strike policy...


Peace has to be earned; it must come because of trust and caring for each other, ...NOT... by threatning to blow each other into oblivion ...

[rookie]

Yes I agree, Who in their right mind would want violence ? Equally so, If the westearn world was not armed to the teeth, we would have big problems. There has been no world peace ever, and sadly I feel there will always be some scrap going on somewhere. Todays reality is that technology is available to almost everyone ( and sadly some bad people ) and a new generation threats are present. It will certainly be a huge effort required of my generation to try to make this world a better place than WE found it. And , I know those before us have honestly tried their best... right?

[TOM4CWB]

rookie;

I suppose that we can only do what each one of us are responsible for...

Loving our neighbours no matter where they live, our community, our families...

If each of us do our best, and we all encourage everyone we know to do their best to respect and love each other, and the RIGHT each person has to make their own minds up and make their own decisions, on what they will do with their own resourses...

Then greed will be on its way out, and respect and dignity will become stronger for each person on this planet... hopefully this is where we are headed???

Then we will

[rookie]

Tom4cwb

Once more I will agree with you. We all should be setting the examples of decency and morality. It is those steps that will take us to that perfect world, and how hard can it really be ?

Well I am off to do my part, hope you have a good day.