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    U.S. farmers set for huge government payouts despite bumper harvest!

    U.S. farmers are about to reap a bumper harvest not just in corn and soybeans but also in new subsidies that could soar to US$10 billion, blowing a hole in the government’s promise that its new five-year farm bill would save taxpayers money.

    If payments for 2014, the first year the farm bill takes effect, do come in at that level — as some private economists have calculated — they would be more than 10 times the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s working estimate and more than double the forecast by the Congressional Budget Office.

    Farmers will be in line for payouts if revenues fail to meet benchmarks tied to long-term price and production averages. Both USDA’s and the CBO’s estimates were made before crop prices tumbled this year on oversupply from a huge harvest.

    The farm budget blowout for 2014 is unlikely to cause a furor in Washington, despite the clamor for cost-cutting among Republicans who now control Congress. The trillion-dollar farm bill took so long to enact because of controversy over some of itsother major planks, including food stamps for low-income families, that lawmakers are loath to re-open it.

    From Monday, farmers were able to start signing up for the compensation programs. Most participants will be the families who own and operate about 98 per cent of all U.S. farms, large and small.

    “The (farm) bill actually did little to rein in costs,” said Republican Rep. Tom Petri of Wisconsin in an emailed statement. “What we’re seeing is a program that still costs far more than it should and fails to include reforms that actually save taxpayer dollars.”

    The farm bill’s new programs were meant to cost the taxpayer less by replacing a nearly two-decade-old scheme of direct cash payments to farmers, which were about $5 billion a year and were made regardless of need (all figures US$).

    But the payouts for 2014 now look likely to far exceed that amount.

    Because of ample supplies, corn prices have fallen well below the long-term average price used as a benchmark for one of the new programs. Ironically, this year’s bumper harvest may not be large enough to compensate for those price falls and revenues for some farmers could be low enough to trigger payments.

    “Crop insurance has drifted away from that basic safety net concept and the farm bill has taken it even farther away,” said analyst Craig Cox of The Environmental Working Group, a non-profit, non-partisan body that researches environmental health, food and agriculture.

    “It’s going to be expensive”

    In August, USDA forecast subsidies for the 2014 crop under the farm bill’s Agriculture Risk Coverage (ARC) and the Price Loss Coverage (PLC) programs would be $762 million, using $4.20 per bushel for corn as an average market price for 2014. It put average annual payments over the lifetime of the bill at $5.7 billion.

    The CBO, forecasting in January before the farm bill became law, put the 2014 payment for both ARC and PLC at $3.8 billion and the average annual figure at about $2.3 billion.

    As forecasts are based on several variables, including price and the amount of crop produced, estimates can change. The long-term average used as the benchmark also alters in coming years as it always reflects prices in the previous five years.

    Corn futures on the Chicago market hit a five-year low of $3.18-1/4 per bushel in October and are now around $3.70 per bushel. USDA estimated in its monthly report on Nov. 10 that the price would be between $3.20 and $3.80 per bushel for the crop year that runs from Sept. 1, 2014.

    Chris Hurt, professor of agricultural economics at Purdue University and a regular speaker at farm investment conferences, estimates support payments to the average Indiana farm using the farm bill’s formula and an average 2014 corn price of $3.40 a bushel would be around $70 an acre under the ARC program.

    “It’s going to be expensive,” he said, adding Indiana would be fairly typical across the country, where about 85 million acres could be sown to corn. “That’s $6 billion for corn for 2014 alone. Maybe $8 billion to $10 billion is likely in the first year when you consider other crops,” he said.

    Patrick Westhoff, director of the Food and Agriculture Policy Institute, said he calculated payments could reach $8 billion for the 2014 crop for ARC and PLC. Congress set up the institute to prepare forecasts for the agriculture sector.

    USDA said it was too early to know what the actual cost of the farm bill payments would be this year.

    USDA chief economist Joe Glauber conceded ARC payments could be high this year and next. But, “if prices remain low, those ARC guarantees will be potentially getting much, much smaller over time,” he told Reuters.

    Farmers have until March to sign up for the new programs and must choose only one. Payouts for the 2014 crop will come next October and the average price for the year will be set then.

    The program likely to be most popular is ARC, which calculates compensation based on a five-year average of national prices and county yields, less the high and the low. The PLC program uses a reference price, currently at $3.70 per bushel for corn.

    Simply put history repeats its self over and over and welcome to the early 80s. God help us Canadian Farmers because prices for inputs will stay up at todays prices or higher for every thing we need to grow a crop but the price we receive will drop to low 1974 levels and the Americans and then followed by Europe will subsidise their operators to the hilt.
    We will be told learn to adapt or perish.
    Farming what a crock.

    #2
    Is any one else out their seeing what I started to see happen last summer the Boom is over. When Warren buffet thinks Deere is not a good stock to hold and leaves for something else. All the hype about Ag was Bull shit.
    Low prices are here and will be here for quite a few years.
    This time the USA started to subsidise I thought they wouldn't because they were broke well I guess that part was wrong.
    Land prices in USA are expected to drop 10% per year over the next three years.
    So similar will happen here.
    $357,000 quarter will be worth $260,000.00. Maybe more in Canada if some of the super investors realize that their investment is down $100,000.00 and rentals are also down a half.
    Then their is word interest rates are set to go up.
    by three percent in the next 2 years.
    Wow what a game we play.

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      #3
      ARC (all risk coverage) sounds like our AgriStability program.
      Expect it will have similar problems in being accepted by farmers.

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        #4
        Sask...define boom over. If its simply rocket ship land and grain prices for the grain farmer, perhaps we've peaked out for a while...likely forward profitability will be tied more and more to increased volatility. You must agree the brakes need to be put on from time to time. If boom is defined in terms of broad economic activity/opportunity...I think not.

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          #5
          I agree mb the only thing that we could get to price is on spikes here and their but I see us back to the same old BS where our costs will be tied to USA farmer who is getting full subsidy and Canadians who get lots of pep talk from our Gov.
          Our politicians will say you farmers in Canada have to learn to adapt and many will leave the business again.
          Farming never was easy otherwise every one would do it. But sadly in this country your on your own.
          On the Bull shit the world is running out of food. This isn't a blip and good times will be here next fall it could be three to five years. Way more producing areas of the world and we have a shitty rail system to get our stuff out. Ukraine farm land makes south of Winnipeg look like Maple creek.
          If they ever get their shit together that's another problem.

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            #6
            Fall 2015 prices are where right now. Lets look at those.

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              #7
              Profitability also tied to volatility on expense side to, not just income side. Easy to say I know...tough to call/time/forecast.
              Prefer Canadian farm policy over US. Never liked the "subsidized" stigma attached to/placed on Canadian agriculture.

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                #8
                For years OECD has calculated Canada subsidy level as higher than US. It includes supply management benefit as implied subsidy.
                Canadian farmers like to think we are morally superior to US but that is doubtful.

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                  #9
                  I don't like it either why subsidise every man for his self. But when the big dog in the room is making their farmers feel like kings and here were peasants that's a problem.
                  All our inputs is tied to US prices. From Tractors to spray to fert.
                  If they can afford it that's the price we pay.

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                    #10
                    Take dairy out and were piss poor for subsidies.

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                      #11
                      Indirectly the US subsidies drive up our cost of production.

                      Then add the graincos are not doing fx on grain off mpls and the effect is even worse.

                      With an 88 cent dollar we are losing a bunch both on grain and on inputs and machinery.

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                        #12
                        Best quote I read over on NAT.

                        "....Cut the insurance and let them pay the real price for food then...."

                        If we could add our cost of production plus a profit like every other business does we would all be better off, maybe not the consumer.

                        So the government in the states by protecting the farmer with subsidies also protects the consumers with cheap food.

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                          #13
                          Hopalong

                          How can you compare Agristablity to the USA farm support program. Their's is based on the price per bushel being the deciding factor. As stated below

                          In August, USDA forecast subsidies for the 2014 crop under the farm bill’s Agriculture Risk Coverage (ARC) and the Price Loss Coverage (PLC) programs would be $762 million, using $4.20 per bushel for corn as an average market price for 2014. It put average annual payments over the lifetime of the bill at $5.7 billion.

                          USAD predicts corn to average $3.20 -3.80 for 2014 crop.

                          Payments will definitely be made to US farmers. Can you say the same for Agristabilty

                          Agristablity does not make payments based on per bushel floor price being set by Agriculture Canada. There are many other determining factors we all know this.

                          Hopalong
                          I have to wonder where your coming from, as you have also posted you are in favour of eliminating the Revenue Cap for the railways.

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                            #14
                            Farmed through many years of the great crow debate.
                            Farmers said we would never lose the original rates, supposedly guaranteed in perpetuity.
                            Later they said we could not operate without freight subsidies paid to railways.
                            Think we are foolish to believe the revenue entitlement agreement will be different.
                            As to AgriStability, see US and Canada moving toward more similarly in rik management programs.
                            What is your view?

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                              #15
                              Well let's see the price if wheat is down and so is production in canada.

                              The US farmers already know there are poo ament a coming.

                              In Canada even though we have paid the agri stability bill we won't know shit for another year and some will be forced out before the payments are calculated.

                              Don't twist it to say the two countries are moving towards parity for farm programs. That's just bullshit.

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