CPS fertility/agronomy vs. HRS

[freewheat]

Haven't grown CPS in years. Not since the "new agronomy" of recent years. Anyone been growing it? What can a guy expect from yields, relative to HRS? Is the varieties book half accurate? If a guy grows say 50 or 60 HRS, what would CPS yield? 70-80? Last time I grew it, I was getting 50 or 55. But it was in the poor agronomy years, so hard to compare to now.

Sick of growing HRS, and doing almost better feeding it to pigs pricewise anyway.

Was touched on in another thread, but thought I would start a new one on it.

Thanks.

[seabass]

U might as well just grow a feed utility wheat like sadash or Pasteur that yields more with same fertility as CPS. We grew 5702 and it didn't yield much more than our HRSW. Our Sadash was 25 bushels above our HRSW. JMO

[Oliver88]

How is. Sadash for fusarium?
Midge issues?
Height of straw, easy to straight cut?

[Hopperbin]

Had many farmers with sadash buying andrew older seed back last year. Reason yeild. Not sure what elsa cause everything was high weight last year

[freewheat]

Pasteur is LATE. I can not grow late wheat here.

Sadash is a soft white. 50 cent a bushel discount at the barns. And it is LATE.

I could try, but I don't dare...

[Klause]

Sadash and Andrew are the worst you could possibly grow for Fuzz.


If you have 2% in HRS expect 20% in soft white wheats.

I'm not joking. Guys here burnt their Soft White fields cause the fuzz was well over 30%.

[ajl]

CPS wheat: the last crop you grow before leaving the business. My experience with CPS in a dry year is that you get the same yield as HRS but no protein premium. Yes I know you don't get dry years there. A better strategy for 15 may to get some cheap fababeans and green manure them before seeding conventional canola the following year. Canola on pulse stubble will yield a minimum 5bu/ac over wheat stubble and the partial summer fallow will help with weed issues in conventional canola. Western Canada is awash in cheap feed wheat so I am surprised that Hog farms have to pay $5 per bushel. That could be the no fusarium price.

[freewheat]

Yeah, the point I am after is to get more bushels. They are paying 5.10 for feed wheat. Not having fuz issues around here really. Yeah, CPS won't respond to dry years. The year I grow for feed it will be dry... lol

The utility wheats are just so late. The guys growing soft white have big issues with maturity in our cold damp area. 5 days in the book mean 2 weeks in reality.

[bigzee]

I grew Pasteur this year with excellent results. Big yield and very good protein, 13.3. It's going to be sold into the states as milling wht. It's the first time I've grown it, seems like it's maturity is somewhat like durum. Will likely grow it again as durum prices are guaranteed to plummet next yr as big acres will be going in.

[hobbyfrmr]

Freewheat,

Why grow wheat? I grow wheat once every 8 years if it looks super exceptionally profitable. Then I begrudginly plant it. I don't feel any worse off.
There are options, a faba bean plowdown gets you one year closer to organic. If not keen on organic you will have a clean highly fertile piece of land.
There is hulless barley, flax, hemp, canary seed, peas .
My neighbor is a farmcorp, virtex grain type of person. His family made their living on malt barley for 30 years. He grew some hulless barley for farm corp back in its time. The de branning and ethanol plant never happened. In this experience they found a market for hogs I believe. He has totally removed barley for hulless barley on his farm. It looks to me like they have found a modest niche market. He does not seem to have trouble selling it. You will have to make some phone calls to learn the accurate details about hulless barley. I'm pretty sure the new Virtex grain folks are still doing hulless barley to some capacity.

[hobbyfrmr]

Around me is big big highly efficient farms. Because of their size and (for lack of a better term) CWB delivery restrictions they started to grow utility wheat for ethanol plant. Andrew, crystal are names I heard. They are high input farms and they grow high yields 70-90 bu/acre. The sprayers go all summer and the b trains go all winter!

[freewheat]

Hobby, I already grow almost all those other crops. Wheat is good after peas is why, and it has excellent weed control attriutes, unlike canary for example. The barns say they will buy all the hulless barley and fabas they can get their mittens on!

I can grow high yields, ( when it is nice and dry at least), and I do not spray all year, so I dunno.

I only grow 2 or 300 acres of wheat a year max.