What are the other organizations critical analysis of this issue?

[blackpowder]

Just remember that economies of scale and foreign cash have changed what a dairy or chicken farm look like.
Having the consumer profit share by paying more? Fine.
Coke is cheaper than milk and the further north you go it's priced more like avgas. If your gonna subsidize anything make it cheaper for the disadvantaged.
Oh, sorry, your still trying to present SM as a "family farm" image. Go bullshit someone else!

[blackpowder]

I mean think about it. I would happily pay x for milk if I was directly subsidizing (bypassing general revenue), those handicapped by location or income.
Instead I'm driving the price of quota ever higher so taxpayers can somehow buy them out at some future time.
Strongest support for this comes from Qbec where farms are smallest. Fine. But look around.

[CptnObvious]

Tweety: Grain farmers under the bus?
The NFU is at least half grain farmers, they campaigned hard against the current multi-billion dollar thievery in the grain industry and the loss of quality control through the gutting of the CGC, and the E.U. are exporters of grain and will import precious little from us.

[tweety]

Save SM - screw grain farmers. Seems obvious... Cptn.

So what do you suggest is the answer to be able to sell your grain higher then the rest of the world market does? To remove tariffs?

The CWB certainly isn't the answer.

[grassfarmer]

All this "throwing under the bus" talk - where are the facts to back the argument? You'd think if Grain Growers of Canada represent 50,000 successful farmers they would have done the research and have facts at hand.

So come on some of you 50,000 successful farmers - highlight the tariffs and trade restrictions there currently are on Canadian products going into the EU and how these will change under CETA?

[grassfarmer]

Blackpowder, can't speak for chicken operations but the dairy sector is clearly dominated by family farms in Canada. Dutch, Swiss and in central Canada perhaps more "old Canadian" settlers. Through and through it is a family farm sector.

At the other extreme we have hog operations and then grain farms with a considerably higher number of corporate or non-family farm ownership.

[grassfarmer]

My question seeking information was relative to grain and oilseeds seeing as how GGC was thinking CETA is so great.

[tweety]

Over $90 million in net gains for the canola sector

Over $20 million in net revenue
gains for wheat

A billion dollars in combined net gains for the beef and pork sector.

Some info on tariff lines relevant to our grain exports to Europe:

For Oats, current tariffs are
$114/tonne.

For Barley and Rye the tariffs are up to
$120/tonne.

For sweet corn there will be immediate duty free access for 8,000 tonnes.

For wheat depending on quality and class, current tariffs are up to $190/tonne.

Down the road, CETA will lock in permanent duty-free access
on all Canadian grain exports.

These are real and important gains and will have a huge positive impact.

http://www.ggc-pgc.ca/docs/2013-11-25-TradeCommittee-PresentationCETA-MichaelandNeil-Final_1.pdf

Seems pretty good to me.

The NFU is always against everything. they even argued against renewable fuels, gotta keep that feed cheap for the SM group that pulls the NFU strings. They don't want UPOV 91 because farmers are somehow losing magical seed rights they never had.

The sky is always falling with them it seems. Stand frozen in fear, but don't come up with any solutions either. I'm just a dumb SK farmer, but to me standing still doesn't seem like an answer either.

Unless of course, certain NFU members want it that way, then it makes perfect sense.

[chuckChuck]

Blackpowder, even if open market milk and dairy were substantially cheaper which they are generally not, why would you advocate hampering small family farmers ability to make a living?

Is not the correct response reducing or eliminating poverty with decent jobs, wages, and childcare especially for single parent families which make up the majority of the poor in Canada?

We can easily use the tax system to make sure everyone has a living income. Making milk cheaper is not going to help poor families much.

SM should have never let quota become a commodity itself. Quota costs have driven up production costs and become an entry barrier to new and young farmers.

[Oliver88]

Good post tweety, CETA is clearly beneficial for Western Canadian agriculture.

There is a reason the NFU is no longer relevant.

[CptnObvious]

The conservative numbers ( the ones that aren't invented) are only relevant if the EU buys everything we can produce and never increases their own production( remember they already export 15% of their wheat).
European Commission, Directorate General for Agriculture and Rural Development, Unit C4 says the tariff on wheat is 12 Euros/t and for barley is 16 Euros/t.

[grassfarmer]

Rather fanciful figures tweety yet they call them "real and important gains" to promote their hollow ideology.
On beef our total exports are only @$4.5 billion yet $1billion increase will be achieved by beef and pork sectors? The image is great - sell all our exports for 25-50% more but the reality is different. We only have about 1 or 2% of our cattle that would qualify for EU export and our western Canadian fed cattle price is currently equal to that in Scotland - one of the EU's high quality beef producers. So where is this real increase in value coming from?

How much credibility does the GGC presentation have when they claim that Canada is one of only 2 developed countries adhering to UPOV '78?

Well Belgium still uses the earlier UPOV 64/72.

Italy, Portugal New Zealand, South Africa, Brazil, Argentina, Chile and China are on the list using UPOV '78 - care to take a stab at which is the other "developed" country according to these jokers?
Laughable.

That's not mentioning the 40 plus countries that have no plant protection legislation including Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

We shouldn't get too cocky pushing this "free trade" mantra anyway - you are aware that Canada too has import tariffs on beef as well as grains? Living in glass houses and all that.

[mbdog]

chuck chuck...this I agree with you on...SM shouldn't have made quota a commodity.
SM...since its a matter of public policy, the boards who control should disclose/explain/defend how prices are determined when asked. If they cannot, we have a problem.

[tweety]

No idea, the question was what do other organizations have for analysis of the topic. Go ask them.