What are the other organizations critical analysis of this issue?

[CptnObvious]

Canadian milk is slightly more expensive than U.S. milk but remember, you free marketers, their milk is subsidized over 30 cents/gal. Canadian milk costs a little more but our farmers are paid waaaay better because the U.S. system averages 50% capacity( they never know how much is coming and must be prepared) while we run at 80%. Much less idle capital.
If we lose orderly marketing milk production will shift south where it is cheaper to winter cattle and to hire labour.

[farmaholic]

I may argue that it is subsidized by the consumer but some things are just worth protecting in my opinion.

[mbdog]

what producer receives is a component of consumer price. I'd like to know how consumer price is determined/established. Breakdowns/explanations please.

[blackpowder]

Just remember that economies of scale and foreign cash have changed what a dairy or chicken farm look like.
Having the consumer profit share by paying more? Fine.
Coke is cheaper than milk and the further north you go it's priced more like avgas. If your gonna subsidize anything make it cheaper for the disadvantaged.
Oh, sorry, your still trying to present SM as a "family farm" image. Go bullshit someone else!

[blackpowder]

I mean think about it. I would happily pay x for milk if I was directly subsidizing (bypassing general revenue), those handicapped by location or income.
Instead I'm driving the price of quota ever higher so taxpayers can somehow buy them out at some future time.
Strongest support for this comes from Qbec where farms are smallest. Fine. But look around.

[CptnObvious]

Tweety: Grain farmers under the bus?
The NFU is at least half grain farmers, they campaigned hard against the current multi-billion dollar thievery in the grain industry and the loss of quality control through the gutting of the CGC, and the E.U. are exporters of grain and will import precious little from us.

[tweety]

Save SM - screw grain farmers. Seems obvious... Cptn.

So what do you suggest is the answer to be able to sell your grain higher then the rest of the world market does? To remove tariffs?

The CWB certainly isn't the answer.

[grassfarmer]

All this "throwing under the bus" talk - where are the facts to back the argument? You'd think if Grain Growers of Canada represent 50,000 successful farmers they would have done the research and have facts at hand.

So come on some of you 50,000 successful farmers - highlight the tariffs and trade restrictions there currently are on Canadian products going into the EU and how these will change under CETA?

[grassfarmer]

Blackpowder, can't speak for chicken operations but the dairy sector is clearly dominated by family farms in Canada. Dutch, Swiss and in central Canada perhaps more "old Canadian" settlers. Through and through it is a family farm sector.

At the other extreme we have hog operations and then grain farms with a considerably higher number of corporate or non-family farm ownership.

[grassfarmer]

My question seeking information was relative to grain and oilseeds seeing as how GGC was thinking CETA is so great.

[tweety]

Over $90 million in net gains for the canola sector

Over $20 million in net revenue
gains for wheat

A billion dollars in combined net gains for the beef and pork sector.

Some info on tariff lines relevant to our grain exports to Europe:

For Oats, current tariffs are
$114/tonne.

For Barley and Rye the tariffs are up to
$120/tonne.

For sweet corn there will be immediate duty free access for 8,000 tonnes.

For wheat depending on quality and class, current tariffs are up to $190/tonne.

Down the road, CETA will lock in permanent duty-free access
on all Canadian grain exports.

These are real and important gains and will have a huge positive impact.

http://www.ggc-pgc.ca/docs/2013-11-25-TradeCommittee-PresentationCETA-MichaelandNeil-Final_1.pdf

Seems pretty good to me.

The NFU is always against everything. they even argued against renewable fuels, gotta keep that feed cheap for the SM group that pulls the NFU strings. They don't want UPOV 91 because farmers are somehow losing magical seed rights they never had.

The sky is always falling with them it seems. Stand frozen in fear, but don't come up with any solutions either. I'm just a dumb SK farmer, but to me standing still doesn't seem like an answer either.

Unless of course, certain NFU members want it that way, then it makes perfect sense.

[chuckChuck]

Blackpowder, even if open market milk and dairy were substantially cheaper which they are generally not, why would you advocate hampering small family farmers ability to make a living?

Is not the correct response reducing or eliminating poverty with decent jobs, wages, and childcare especially for single parent families which make up the majority of the poor in Canada?

We can easily use the tax system to make sure everyone has a living income. Making milk cheaper is not going to help poor families much.

SM should have never let quota become a commodity itself. Quota costs have driven up production costs and become an entry barrier to new and young farmers.