What are the other organizations critical analysis of this issue?

[CptnObvious]

Mustardman and sawfly have it right.
CETA will remove most tariffs( yay!)
The average current tariff is 2%( oh.)
Non-tariff barriers will remain in place( crap.)
Any sovereign nation within the E.U. can still opt out( double crap.)
We made lots of deals like this: we gave up cheese to get more beef exports but we only fill just over 1/3 of our limit now.

[grassfarmer]

If prices a farmer receive are "simply "subsidized" by the consumer" isn't that the ideal? isn't that the "free market that you speak of? - the consumer paying the production cost of the product allowing the producer to earn a living for his labor and investment?

Specific to the grain and oilseed sector could someone highlight the tariffs and trade restrictions there currently are on Canadian products going into the EU and how these will change under CETA?

[CptnObvious]

Canadian milk is slightly more expensive than U.S. milk but remember, you free marketers, their milk is subsidized over 30 cents/gal. Canadian milk costs a little more but our farmers are paid waaaay better because the U.S. system averages 50% capacity( they never know how much is coming and must be prepared) while we run at 80%. Much less idle capital.
If we lose orderly marketing milk production will shift south where it is cheaper to winter cattle and to hire labour.

[farmaholic]

I may argue that it is subsidized by the consumer but some things are just worth protecting in my opinion.

[mbdog]

what producer receives is a component of consumer price. I'd like to know how consumer price is determined/established. Breakdowns/explanations please.

[blackpowder]

Just remember that economies of scale and foreign cash have changed what a dairy or chicken farm look like.
Having the consumer profit share by paying more? Fine.
Coke is cheaper than milk and the further north you go it's priced more like avgas. If your gonna subsidize anything make it cheaper for the disadvantaged.
Oh, sorry, your still trying to present SM as a "family farm" image. Go bullshit someone else!

[blackpowder]

I mean think about it. I would happily pay x for milk if I was directly subsidizing (bypassing general revenue), those handicapped by location or income.
Instead I'm driving the price of quota ever higher so taxpayers can somehow buy them out at some future time.
Strongest support for this comes from Qbec where farms are smallest. Fine. But look around.

[CptnObvious]

Tweety: Grain farmers under the bus?
The NFU is at least half grain farmers, they campaigned hard against the current multi-billion dollar thievery in the grain industry and the loss of quality control through the gutting of the CGC, and the E.U. are exporters of grain and will import precious little from us.

[tweety]

Save SM - screw grain farmers. Seems obvious... Cptn.

So what do you suggest is the answer to be able to sell your grain higher then the rest of the world market does? To remove tariffs?

The CWB certainly isn't the answer.

[grassfarmer]

All this "throwing under the bus" talk - where are the facts to back the argument? You'd think if Grain Growers of Canada represent 50,000 successful farmers they would have done the research and have facts at hand.

So come on some of you 50,000 successful farmers - highlight the tariffs and trade restrictions there currently are on Canadian products going into the EU and how these will change under CETA?