Neonicotinoid ban blamed for repeseed retreat

[charliep]

You guys want to be grabby so I will give you one more reason. the neonicotinoid ban in the EU may be good short term (less competition) but given Ontario's decision may be coming to western Canada. I suspect social license and sustainability performance measures are going to topics that get discussed more and more.

[URL="http://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/news/neonicotinoid-ban-blamed-for-repeseed-retreat.26122677"]the scottish farmer[/URL]

You guys are increasing getting more and more caught and a hard place.

1) Pests and diseases that move and adapt.

2) A scientific system that is struggling to keep up with the above because of lack of funding, less people/poor succession planning and increasing complex/expensive regulatory process to get approved. I'll add increasing ability to measure pesticides up the supply chain.

3) A commercial process that has less companies involved and bigger (who else can afford to take the risks to bring a new product to market) with a major focus on profit.

4) A society that will be increasing looking over your shoulder at business practices.

[furrowtickler]

Lumiderm solves this issue in canola seed

[Horse]

I read you can use neoniconoids for wire worms? We have a problem with wire worms in our potato garden is it useable on table potatoes? How would one use it???

[Hamloc]

Furrow I see little difference between lumiderm and neonicotinoid insecticides as both are systematic. I think lumiderm's claim to fame is that it lasts longer in the plant and is effective against wireworms. The only way around these products is to grow polish canola which has a hairy cotelyden which is unattractive to flea beetles. This would be unattractive to large seed corps as they couldn't hose us for proprietory seed treats.

[ColevilleH2S]

"Social License" is the term one retreats to using when the facts don't backup their argument.

[blackpowder]

Charlies #4 is a the headlight coming at us.
Anyone using social media with an IQ over 50 can stall all the science and fact in the world.
And we're denying its existence by not acknowledging its power.

[blackpowder]

Coleville. Although your statement may be fact based at this time. "Social license" is what will dictate your craft in the future. Unless a devastating famine strikes First world cities, be warned.

[furrowtickler]

Hamloc - it's a non neonic that controls both crucifer and striped flea Beatles for 20-30 days as well as cutworms up to flowering - very little activity on wireworms .
Just pointing out that's it's not a neonic
Cutworms will eat any canola

[Hamloc]

My understanding of why the use of neonicotinoids is being curtailed is that they are a non selective systematic insecticide that remain in the canola plant for a short period of time during which beneficial insects such as bees can be exposed to it and harmed. What I attempted to point out and did a poor job is that lumiderm is supposed to last longer in the plant than neonicotinoids which would make it just as harmful as noenics in the eyes of those who object. I would say a seed treatment is less harmful for the environment than spraying an insecticide to treat a crop once it is infested but I am just a farmer.

[blackpowder]

My relation ran bees for years. Preferred canola fields. No problems. He claimed though, that as soon as it was sprayed at bloom the bees left it for good and production went down.
More adoption of fungicide far less honey.. No deaths though.