The future looks good for seed companies

[sumdumguy]

We need farmers to organize a demonstration. Pickets and tractors!

[SASKFARMER3]

Gust I don't care for the NFU model but you have to see what is going to happen with Wheat. Its so easy to predict what's coming, its not even funny.
Again farmers walk into the slaughter house just like the cattle and have the hooks put on their feet thinking hm this seems ok then Boom and its lights out.
Canola system makes huge dollars for them and now wheat oats barley etc etc.
Great system if this is the best the farm groups could see coming why not just tell Ritz were taking our groups home and not participating. Go to media and say farmers who grow the crops don't want any part of this. Guess what with the hysteria on GMO out their we would have won. The public doesn't understand and this would have gone in our favor.
What's coming is only good for one group and it sure isn't the farmer.

[farmaholic]

Very good point SF3, get the public on our side. Sounds like the organic model.

[Hopalong]

What is so different about the system that government critics see coming from the United States one?
Would like to see similar research funding systems on both sides of border.

[gustgd]

Sask3 unless I see you and others standing up and demanding a non refundable check off their is no other way I see farmers participating in a wholly funded varietal program. You can point to the canola model and your distaste but as I've seen around Canada canola has kept the lights on for most farms.
If you had "normal" weather the past couple years I imagine you would be like most other non lentil growers around here.
Still as much canola as agronomicaly feasible on spec.

As well mandatory check offs are illegal in Alberta. Can someone explain why that was? I think it had to do with cattle.

Even if this new legislation comes in it will be 15 years until a new system becomes self sustaining. This is based on the Australian model. Who is going to write cheques until 2030 to make the industry better.

[mustardman]

What's wrong with Staying Out of upov 91. Upov 78 seemed to be working just fine for us.

Did anyone hear Ron Depau (cereal breeder public) speak at cropshere? I missed it

There is lots of Exageration on how the private canola model is soMuch more successful than Public Cereal breeding.
Mind you private breeding is unbelievably successful for shareholders !

[mustardman]

gustgd. I think the Nfu is based on Present wgrf funding working with Public breeding .
The key is the Gov't not gutting public institutions !
I sat on the wgrf for a number of years and the work that gets funded is very beneficial.

Unfortunately the word Public is a dirty word to this gov't. Even if it is the most successful and beneficial to the Country

[SASKFARMER3]

Gust when we started growing canola you weren't even thought of. Hell when I cleaned our own you weren't even thought of. Hell when we were the great Monsanto experiment into the new hybrids you were probably in bantam or peewee hockey.
Canola paid the bills big time all the way through my farming carreeer but guess what since the new seed model that is in place with canola with no end in sight for patents to end guess what canola price for seed has gotton out of control.
Funny how some cant see that we had varieties years ago that did the same or better than those grown today. Year in year out in East and NE.
Weather has changed and yes I am totally pissed at the new weather cycle but loving this winter with limited precipitation.
Canola is the model that wheat will take and when Your my age and I am dead and gone you to will realize F$%K the Asshole was right.
Have a great day.
AH farming.

[bucket]

Sf3

Not sure some young guys can understand what you are telling them.

To paraphrase - Sf3 has been there and done that.

He has probably forgotten more than the punks on here will ever know.

The guys spewing the benefits haven't looked 25 years down the road. They buy into this shit about the world needs more food. Never run out yet.

More research into higher yielding crop is idiotic until you get a transportation system that can handle it.

Study Brazil. Once they get their transportation system bettered, canada won't matter. We have fallen so far behind in transportation it's not funny.

The wcwga just got enlightened by the bnsf railroad at their meeting. Maybe now they will start to push the government about the archaic railways in this country.

[SASKFARMER3]

CP books record profit, more grain revenue in 2014. Increased revenue from Canadian and US grain traffic alike helped boost Canadian Pacific Railway (CP) to a record full-year profit in 2014. Calgary-based CP on Thursday reported net income of $1.476 billion on $6.62 billion for the year ending Dec. 31, up from $875 million on $6.133 billion in 2013.

[bucket]

They were also given a rubber stamped increase in rates.

Diesel fuel is down just wait until next year.

And doing nothing for the next crisis like when k and s put there exports on line. KS are currently building six 175 car unit trains to move their potash in 2 years.

[wmoebis]

The livestock industry is having same research funding problems. Why hasn't the cattle industry adopted similar practice?

Where commercial producer buys higher priced breeding stock from breeder to get genetics he wants, then pay a royalty, back to breeder, on every calf sold from those breeding lines, forever.

[mustardman]

IF the gov't would have called this the "Corporate Control Of SEEDS ACT" instead of the mom and apple pie name "Agricultural Growth Act"

Maybe Just Maybe farmers would be acting.

[gustgd]

Sask3 restating your thesis does not prove it
You still haven't provided an alternative

Mustard in real dollars public funding for varietal research has been diminishing since at least 1993 this didn't start with the Conservatives.
I did take in DePauw's presentation. He and every other breeder and institution from the CDC to each research station is in favour of C-18. Until someone can show me others who publicly disagree. I'm going to say consensus on the issue. To be fair to his presentation he is not in favour of the defunding that has happened.

Wmbonisis I think a version of what you stated is happening in livestock. Check out the breeding programs of pork, chicken, dairy. Everything except beef cattle.

[bucket]

You guys have to realize that people pushing these things also think by John deere putting a different decal and side panels on a combine they are buying something much improved.

Alot of canola varieties are technically the same but in a different bag by a different company. Much like chemical. Just repackaged. It just depends for some if they like the bag colors or the new decals and side panels. And if grandpas trust fund has run out for bragging rights to say they bought 3/4 of a pound of seed with a bushel of canola.