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    Worst Investment Out There? Farmland, Investor Says

    The U.S. dollar is heading higher, crude oil and grain markets are staying low, and the worst investment out there is . . . farmland?

    Dennis Gartman, longtime capital market analyst and publisher of The Gartman Letter, told 600-plus farmland investors this news Friday at the Peoples Company Land Investment Expo in West Des Moines, Iowa. That last bit just about sucked the air out of the packed banquet room, though many say this assertion ignores basic supply-and-demand principles in a continued tight environment for land in much of the Corn Belt. So, what's actually working?

    "My first rule of trading: Do more of the things that have been working and do less of the things that have not. What has been working? Stocks. They've been going upward on a consistent basis," he says. "The investment I'd probably stay away from: land."

    Gartman's precedent for what he expects in the farmland market is the housing crash of the early 21st century, which he calls "the best thing to ever happen in the U.S." The demolition of the housing market between 2005 and 2009, he argues, convinced the marketplace that housing "is not an investment," and farmland, though likely not facing a market deconstruction like housing a decade ago, will start losing value as related markets continue to slump as the U.S. dollar index surges.

    "I think we're in an environment here where the wind is at our back, but it's a mild wind, a pleasant wind; it's not going to take us forward rushing to higher levels, but compared to the rest of the world, we're so much better off in the U.S.," Gartman says. "We have to get used to the fact the dollar's going higher and oil's low. Buy stocks, don't buy land."

    That stronger dollar is going to continue to pressure all commodities lower -- a "harsh reality" for those in the ag sector -- and a virtually even corn-to-soybean acreage picture Gartman expects to unfold in the next year that will cause as much as a $2 drop in corn prices.

    "This year, we're probably going to plant 88 million acres corn and 88 million acres of soybeans. Because of the corn-bean ratio, more farmers are going to put soybeans in the ground given these prices right now. Ethanol is going to go south. Ethanol is probably gone, and if that happens, you could see corn prices a lot lower. A whole lot lower. Way lower. I trust I'm clear. They could take a buck and a half to $2 out of corn without any problem," Gartman says, adding the value of land is grossly inflated right now. "In the past several years, if you take a look at corn prices to soybean prices to land prices, land is extraordinarily expensive. If you want to make the implied bet, cash your lot against the rising dollar, inflationary forces, and if you want to buy $8,000/acre land in Iowa, I think you'll fail. I think it'll get very ugly."

    So, Gartman says land and grain prices will get slammed while the U.S. dollar index continues to climb. What about crude oil? Especially considering the continued increase in production in the U.S. -- which will essentially make the nation a net-exporter of crude oil in a few years -- Gartman has a grave prediction for that market despite the implications of lower oil to the ag sector.

    "In my lifetime, we will never see $75 crude oil ever again. Not ever, not no-how," Gartman says. "Take a look at the futures markets in oil. The back months are now $15 above the spot month. It's called a contango. That's profitable for frackers. Not only that, we're seeing people taking delivery of crude oil because you can make money buying it, selling forward futures and redelivering it when you have a contango. Crude oil is bidding for storage

    "You hear people say $45 crude will stop fracking. But, two years out, futures are at 60 dollars. Any bank will lend money hedged at $60 a barrel," Gartman continues. "I think we might have a chance to think $1.85 gasoline looks expensive. It means cheap fertilizer. It makes for very cheap nitrogen supplies. That's going to be wonderful for you guys in the business of growing crops. It will help overcome the fact that grain prices, I don't think, are going anywhere."

    Good Deflation?

    With the falling yield on U.S. 10-year Treasury notes, declining worker wages, a weaker Consumer Price Index, and lower commodities, the idea of a U.S. deflationary period ahead for the economy is on the minds of some economists.

    Dennis Gartman, longtime capital market analyst and publisher of The Gartman Letter, says the talk of deflation in the U.S. should be better described.

    "There is good deflation and bad inflation," Gartman says.

    For instance, computer prices have been deflated all along. We get so much more out of our computer for $1,500 than you ever used to get out of it for $1,500," Gartman says. "There's more computing capability in my iPhone for $500 than there was that launched the moonshot. And how much did we pay for that? That is a perfect example of perfect, good deflation."

    In addition, in the 1890s, the U.S. witnessed good deflation when canals were opened up in the middle part of the country, Gartman says. "That drove down grain prices dramatically. But it increased exports dramatically. That was good deflation."

    Meanwhile, the talk of U.S. interest rates going higher is overblown, Gartman says. "It's amazing the number of years that it's been that 'Wall Streeters' keep saying the rates are going to go up. Write this down. Interest rates will go up when they go up. Until then, they are not going to go up."
    Funny thing their always seems to be a sucker! BTO or what ever out their to rent.
    Last night I watched 11 Quarters of very good land that was on Rentera for bidding Spring 15 to 17.
    Half payable March 1 rest oct 15.
    This land was land that Broad Ass F#$Ked up last year and farmed with no fert and probably no fall rent. They out bid every one and a Chinese Family was very happy.
    Well a year later Broad Ass is gone, and the game begins again. For a while I thought the locals were so pissed with the shit that happened with Broad Ass that they would hit the investor hard.
    It looked like it was going to happen till the last 5 minuets.
    Boom $73.00 A acre Or 134,904.00 Rent.
    So the investor paid $2.7 mill and gets after taxes and fees for handling package is 5%.
    So yes its paid. But with last year not getting half rent, has it.
    New guy is stuck with $73 for three years. Chance for land to go higher min I think its top in this area.
    Time will tell but was fun to watch.

    #2
    All the land in question had no fert last year so their is a negative but its wet clay so a positive.
    Half Wheat half canola.
    Wheat 50 x 5 250
    Canola 45 x 9 405
    So 655 divided by two 327
    Now 327 - 73 rent That's 254 for the rest of your expences.
    Hm this is for three years.

    Good Luck!

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      #3
      Land was a great investment when you could buy as much as you wanted for $50000 to 70000. Now when every one is running to buy its not.

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        #4
        My first thought is to say we will never have oil over 75 dollars a barrel is a crazy statement. I maybe wasn't paying attention but a year ago I don't recall predictions for 45 dollar oil and a. 80 cent canadian dollar. Market analysts can only look at data and give thier opinion.

        As for land rents around here farmers are still bidding up rent it will be interesting to see if it works.

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          #5
          My first thought is to say we will never have oil over 75 dollars a barrel is a crazy statement. I maybe wasn't paying attention but a year ago I don't recall predictions for 45 dollar oil and a. 80 cent canadian dollar. Market analysts can only look at data and give thier opinion.

          As for land rents around here farmers are still bidding up rent it will be interesting to see if it works.

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            #6
            Why would land come down to 70,000 a quarter when a new diesel pickup is 70,000 a new car of a lower model is 30,000. those things are crushed and melted down in 5-10 years. whats your 9600 combines worth now from what you paid back in the day? Yeah that's right nothing. Yet it seem's a lot of guy's if not the majority on here want to see land prices absolutely tank to the point where your most valuable asset that you have is worth nothing,so as "the young guy can buy it and farm " . If land went down to 70,000-100,000 a quarter the crying wouldn't stop here on agriville. I get the fact that everyone wants to buy or rent land at a cheaper price but the reality is if land nose dives everyone is worth **** all. owning equipment,cars,trucks,skidoos take your pick,these things are not assests,keep your ski doo and then try and retire off of it when you sell it. Each and everyone on here should be happy to see strong land prices and rental agreements it makes you worth more in the end. I cant believe the NDP mentality on here sometimes. The NDP mentality is if you have 20 dollars and four people,only one worked for the 20 dollars that guy should have to give the 0ther three 5 each so everyone is equal. That thought comes to mind everytime someone posts on here that only guy's that farm the land themselves should be the ones owning it. Well that means that the minute you retire you better sell out for whatever you can get? well anyway I'm sure there will be a correction in prices because land is like the stock market it goes up and down.

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              #7
              Maybe Gartman is only gonna live another year. Lol

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                #8
                Sk Wheat king. I do not really want land to tank. But I think it well may. It has before, and not very long ago.

                IMO though, farmland is not the only asset a farmer should be building up. Depending on it to increase in value forever is folly. Just ask the guys who bought in the 70's and retired in the 90's!

                Depends on the area and the dynamics within that area...

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                  #9
                  It took about 5 years for land to get completely out of hand with prices.... wonder if it'll take that long to come back down??

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                    #10
                    Canadian Farmland is like Iowa's falling right now. It is just that the CDN $ is falling faster. The play was to sell in 2013 and convert to $US. I wonder if Poloz will allow interest rates to rise or have $US = $2Cdn.

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                      #11
                      Sk wheat - I had to chuckle at the NDP comment - so true
                      As for guys wishing land will crash - never once seen that statement here. Some are thinking a correction is coming or overdue - but not a crash - don't get your panties in a knot .
                      Land values and rent still going strong here - only time will tell if it holds

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                        #12
                        I said I bought all ours at 50 to 70 and nothing now ! Meaning that was the time to buy!
                        I'm saying a correction is coming! That's it! How low is any ones guess!

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