Farmers loosing billions

[sawfly]

good or bad it is gone forever.

at least we are all gonna go down together at this rate.

we had good crops here last year, so i can all to well imagine the hurt happening in some areas.

I could be next.
sharpen your pencils boys.

we are a pretty sad lot
,scrounging
for the crumbs agribusiness leaves us.
and when our only plan for financial success is hoping for a world wide crop failure.

I guess we also have to hope that
shipping oil by train stops , so the railways will haul our product to market.

and if that happened grain .cos might actually have to bid to get our grain.

nothing to it ,we will be rich in no time.

[Integrity_Farmer]

Many on this site are understanding what we lost in the CWB others are simply whistling past the grave yard.

The inefficient movement at the west coast is the problem. The solution is to reinstating the CWB. As Richard Gray ag ecomimist said this problem at Vancouver could last for decades. Gray said this is costing farmers billions of dollars.

There is limited capacity at Vancouver and no prospects to increase that capacity.

When it was CWB grain then it could go to any terminal and a boat could pick up part of a load at Pioneer move on to Viterra and then finish loading at Cargill.
Since it is now grain companies grain a boat can load only part of a load and then go back out to the ocean and wait till more cars are unloaded at that terminal. Last winter there were over 50 ships waiting at Vancouver for grain.
The grain companies cannot manage anything but they don't have to as they are making record profits. Ritz's dysfunctional marketing system is working very well for them.

The grain companies inefficient movement of grain is also lowering the price of canola and specialty crops.
Canola prices are established on what me export and not what we crush.

So any problem with grain and canola movement lowers the price to the crushers. These crushers are the same companies that are creating the problem at the west coast.

I like to be optimistic but I am realistic. The grain companies have a great thing going for them.

[tstep]

Thank you to our inefficient govt for our inefficient marketing grain handling system. We are going backwards!!

[bucket]

Tstep

Make no mistake our current system is no where like the states.

This shit wouldn't be allowed to happen there.

They exports more grain than us and were never as far behind as our rail system.

No one in the states hauls grain 1000s of miles by truck.


The government in the states might allow some of the theft but they also have offsetting programs to ensure farmers are profitable.

They also have a better reporting system that is mandatory for graincos to comply.

Transparency leads to accountability in the states.

Here it leads to a large government patronage to one group.

[Braveheart]

Bucket, check out the lineup of trucks at Mpls area flour mills sometime. No one in the States hauls 1000 of miles? Not so.

Most of the farmers that don't truck long distances down south (ND) are either in Arizona, helping look after small kids at home, or are the more subsistence type farmers.

[bucket]

Minot to mpls is only 500 miles.

[SASKFARMER3]

The wheat board had problems big problems and didn't want to listen to farmers. We wanted a way to get paid for our product faster, quicker and paid close to what the coast price was minus freight and elevation and Tookage by grain companies.
They didn't listen so they exited stage right.
But the one big big problem with how this all shook out is no measures were put in place to keep information in farmers hands. Forcing rail and grain companies to show what was going on.
When the wheat board war shut down Ritz should have known better than trusting Grain and Railways to do a fair job with farmers.
He was hood winked and so were we for letting it happen.
NO I never want the CWB back but gee a little transparency would be nice in the grain business.
Low dollar should add 1 to 2 to our prices not 1 to 2 less.

[sawfly]

great system for the grain co.s to extort
100s of thousands from every farmer.

did we lose 1$ a bushel on every bushel, canola wheat etc. last winter.
my case 100-150,000$ that hurts.

farmers are the only ones that want it fixed.

nobody else cares, esp. the Harper govt.
their economic Inaction plan is that
we are robbed blind. until we are gone.

and they think it will magically solve itself. (how dumb are they)

your a govt. govern .

make em switch stocks at port .
if a gov. inspector says this terminal . has no 2 and another does too ,fill the boat. and get it the hell out.

I do not know if they are actually
plotting with big business.
or just plain morons

[bucket]

Sawfly

It would be the latter.

[Braveheart]

500 miles to Mpls. 500 back to Minot. 500 500 = 1000 miles.

[canolacrazy]

single desk=dead horse. the beatings are over.

[bucket]

Braveheart

Wouldn't it be the same as in canada. Farmers become truckers but it doesn't mean they are not doing short hauls around mpls.

The plates don't mean they are from halfway across the country with a load.


I see gravel trucks with plates from Alberta and am pretty sure they are not hauling gravel that far.

[Braveheart]

I have a neighbour hauling their wheat to Mpls. They experience some animosity in the lineup from the other truckers which it turns out are ND farmers hauling because grain movement out of central and north central ND elevators is dismal.

[tweety]

re Tweety,
I think you were or are some kind of cartoon character. Am I correct? Go to the CWBA site www.cwbafacts.ca/ and ask them the question.

So what you are saying is you just cut and pasted this topic haphazardly and you have no idea what you are talking about let alone have any data to justify it?

Why bother posting it?

[blackpowder]

Actually, I saw value in going to that website and its links. Pays to study your opponent.