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    Loonie to limp toward 69 US cents

    The Canadian dollar will sink as low as 69 U.S. cents with little to drive the economy after oil's collapse, according to Macquarie Group Ltd, joining a growing list of forecasters lowering their projections.

    Macquarie forecast Monday the currency would reach a bottom near 69 U.S. cents. Royal Bank of Canada and Credit Suisse Group AG last week lowered their forecasts to 75 cents. HSBC Holdings Plc is calling for a 74 cent Canadian dollar. Morgan Stanley sees the loonie dropping to 71 U.S. cents by next year.

    "There's going to need to be even more Canadian dollar weakness than people expect because of the significant loss of competitiveness," Evan Brown, an analyst with Morgan Stanley, said by phone from New York.

    With consumer debt loads at a record high, manufacturing hobbled by the surge in the loonie to parity with its U.S. peer in the past decade and energy producers cutting investment and jobs, there are few growth drivers left in the economy, analysts say. Employment in manufacturing remains near the record low it reached during the 2009 recession, far from a peak in 2002, when the currency bottomed last time.

    The loonie, as the currency is known, has dropped 26 percent to C$1.2583 per U.S. dollar, or 79 U.S. cents, in the past two years.

    "What we're left with is now the re-balancing of the economy falls even more on non-energy exports as almost the single prop," David Watt, Toronto-based chief economist at HSBC's Canadian unit, said in a telephone interview. "It basically means the Canadian dollar is going to have to do more to carry the burden of adjustment."

    The cascade of forecast revisions comes after the Bank of Canada unexpectedly cut interest rates last month, calling it insurance against a slump in crude oil prices, the country's largest export. The central bank had been counting on export- driven business investment to spur growth.

    A declining currency makes a country's exports cheaper abroad.

    "The oil story was always a key factor behind that re- balancing," said HSBC's Watt. "Now one of the sectors that would have been carrying that burden of adjustment has abandoned ship.

    So on a 400000 combine it will now cost canadian farmers $128,000. more. That's easy their are lots of used out on dealer lots so sales will drop on new. But this also again gives the American farmer a real advantage at Richie Bros where they are buying equipment at a Discount. So used should stabilize.
    Fert, chem, Seed etc will all sky Rocket again. Since all are based on USA prices.
    Travel to USA is going to get tougher, Shopping trips now have no advantage prices are higher once exchange is added.
    Tires add-ons etc. are all higher now.
    Purchasing of property in USA has just hit a snag and its a big snag. That 200000 condo that you looked at in November and wanted is now going to be $264000.00.
    Your trucks for farm will not be 75000 they will approach 98000.
    USA investors and other countries can now move to land grab number three with a low dollar they are getting a real nice discount.
    So the negatives for Agriculture are huge and farms have to adjust because these costs will effect your farm huge.
    Plus side is sales of our product. Ouch I bite my cheek.
    Basis is criminal this winter but maybe maybe by next fall it will get some where close to reflecting our dollar.
    A 4.50 Hrs price on Min could net you $6.27.
    Locking in a basis for fall might not be a good thing. What seems good today could be awful come fall. But your booking movement in reality.
    Future price with no basis?
    Any thoughts on the new world of real low Canadian Dollar.
    Adjust the sales (Sails) boys the Wind just did a 180 and its going to get ugly their is a 100 ft wave approaching.

    #2
    Funny thing when I said it peaked in Spring of 2013 and ran till July of 2014. Some said it will go on for ever this is the new norm. Adjusting for change is the new normal and were in for a real big change.
    Ah farming More than Ever! Learn from the past it will repeat again.
    On employee front lots of Oil guys for this spring. That wasn't funny but unfortunately it is real.

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      #3
      Now one positive is any one who converted lots of cash to USD when it was at par. That's a pay day.
      What's other positives.

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        #4
        Notice how quickly they can calculate the extra cost of machinery because if the fx.

        Amazing isn't it?

        And yet for something else traded in usd we get less.

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          #5
          Yes the Deere Dealers had a memo last month that the company believed the Canadian dollar would go lower than where they were using and dealers should prepare for lower dollar and push sales ahead etc.
          So they had experts that are experts and knew with poor oil our dollar would have to move lower.

          Prices for all we get from the USA will definitely increase. All prices that are based off USA dollars is going up.

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            #6
            So those who held off in pricing grain in $CAD will get more?
            Maybe graincos have done us a favour by discouraging sales.

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              #7
              its looking that way doing nothing maybe worked. ha ha

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                #8
                But if the graincos know the loonie is still going down they won't take that risk. They will pass it to farmers as long as they can.

                Hey news flash. Our rail system is 12000 cars behind and Raitt says they are monitoring it.

                They monitored it in the fall of 2013 into a crisis by January 2014.

                Railways were short on there 650000 tonne required.

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                  #9
                  I have seen our cars at the local terminal start with a 100 missed oh no problem they are on way next week then the next the 100 are missed but they drop off 25 then last week the 40 arrived and not 100 and then 100 so with 400 month and only 165 for month. Ah the system is working fine.
                  Must have been the cold weather we had in sask for over half of January.

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                    #10
                    It could get bad,we are talking any house built in the last ten years will be underwater and unlike the states you can't walk away from it,not sure on the terms but i know its different.

                    tax revenues will/are going down and we are still running deficits in the good times-at the ****in tax rates we already have!#?

                    We couldn't balance our current account in good times?WTF

                    There is a theory that i believe that goes something like-the sum of all the volitity suppressed will be greater after the event.

                    Wish we would have taken our medicine in 08 like everyone else.

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                      #11
                      Yep the house thing is interesting! Lots of house mortgages done last fall and summer are now under water! No problem till renewal or first year up then the call lets talk from the banks! Ah grasshopper wait till reviews are done for farmers!
                      But if houses get reevaluated! We have a huge issue! Yes in good times we were repairing what the past cost for gov!
                      No pay down! Revenue stream down from oil etc!
                      Ontario and Quebec have issues but when you add in alberta and the rest wow canadian dollar like Brazil! Not that bad I hope but who knows!

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                        #12
                        Take contrarian position. Dollar is likely destined to turn up if downward pressure is predicted in the media.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by SASKFARMER3 View Post
                          The Canadian dollar will sink as low as 69 U.S. cents with little to drive the economy after oil's collapse, according to Macquarie Group Ltd, joining a growing list of forecasters lowering their projections.

                          Macquarie forecast Monday the currency would reach a bottom near 69 U.S. cents. Royal Bank of Canada and Credit Suisse Group AG last week lowered their forecasts to 75 cents. HSBC Holdings Plc is calling for a 74 cent Canadian dollar. Morgan Stanley sees the loonie dropping to 71 U.S. cents by next year.

                          "There's going to need to be even more Canadian dollar weakness than people expect because of the significant loss of competitiveness," Evan Brown, an analyst with Morgan Stanley, said by phone from New York.

                          With consumer debt loads at a record high, manufacturing hobbled by the surge in the loonie to parity with its U.S. peer in the past decade and energy producers cutting investment and jobs, there are few growth drivers left in the economy, analysts say. Employment in manufacturing remains near the record low it reached during the 2009 recession, far from a peak in 2002, when the currency bottomed last time.

                          The loonie, as the currency is known, has dropped 26 percent to C$1.2583 per U.S. dollar, or 79 U.S. cents, in the past two years.

                          "What we're left with is now the re-balancing of the economy falls even more on non-energy exports as almost the single prop," David Watt, Toronto-based chief economist at HSBC's Canadian unit, said in a telephone interview. "It basically means the Canadian dollar is going to have to do more to carry the burden of adjustment."

                          The cascade of forecast revisions comes after the Bank of Canada unexpectedly cut interest rates last month, calling it insurance against a slump in crude oil prices, the country's largest export. The central bank had been counting on export- driven business investment to spur growth.

                          A declining currency makes a country's exports cheaper abroad.

                          "The oil story was always a key factor behind that re- balancing," said HSBC's Watt. "Now one of the sectors that would have been carrying that burden of adjustment has abandoned ship.

                          So on a 400000 combine it will now cost canadian farmers $128,000. more. That's easy their are lots of used out on dealer lots so sales will drop on new. But this also again gives the American farmer a real advantage at Richie Bros where they are buying equipment at a Discount. So used should stabilize.
                          Fert, chem, Seed etc will all sky Rocket again. Since all are based on USA prices.
                          Travel to USA is going to get tougher, Shopping trips now have no advantage prices are higher once exchange is added.
                          Tires add-ons etc. are all higher now.
                          Purchasing of property in USA has just hit a snag and its a big snag. That 200000 condo that you looked at in November and wanted is now going to be $264000.00.
                          Your trucks for farm will not be 75000 they will approach 98000.
                          USA investors and other countries can now move to land grab number three with a low dollar they are getting a real nice discount.
                          So the negatives for Agriculture are huge and farms have to adjust because these costs will effect your farm huge.
                          Plus side is sales of our product. Ouch I bite my cheek.
                          Basis is criminal this winter but maybe maybe by next fall it will get some where close to reflecting our dollar.
                          A 4.50 Hrs price on Min could net you $6.27.
                          Locking in a basis for fall might not be a good thing. What seems good today could be awful come fall. But your booking movement in reality.
                          Future price with no basis?
                          Any thoughts on the new world of real low Canadian Dollar.
                          Adjust the sales (Sails) boys the Wind just did a 180 and its going to get ugly their is a 100 ft wave approaching.
                          This is starting to look like a possibility.

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