W.P. article : Bill C-18 will take from farmers pockets

[sumdumguy]

Let's produce more for less. Just keep the ball rolling, but we will conserve our topsoil. That will be our saving grace. Yeh, right!

[gustgd]

https://www.realagriculture.com/2015/02/recap-changes-plant-breeders-rights-will-seed-expensive/

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https://www.realagriculture.com/?s=upov 91

When all of you pull your check off how will you fund a "farmer run" breeding program?

[Guest]

maybe same way we're coming up with $700 /bushel for canola seed . make no mistake , none of this is for our gain. just another way to suck the last little bit of profit we have

[gustgd]

CaseIH, point is that these programs need ongoing sustained funding to be viable.

Without some sort of a value capture model to make public or commission varieties be sustaining you will end up with a NONREFUNDABLE check off.
While SPG has proved to be a lifesaver in pulse breeding there are many cases where I wouldn't want to give a blank cheque to other groups.

Adoption of the UPOV 91 treaty has allowed most of our international competitors to develop programs to be world class with non of the fear and end of world farmer peasant scenariors that you see playing out. FYI the 91 in the treaty's name stands for 1991.

C18 allows Canadian farmers the same advantages.
If you would point out 1 public breeder working for CDC, AAFC, or the universities who is not in favour. I'd like to meet them.

[Guest]

so farmers opinion is not needed or count for anything ? just curious , do you think we are getting $700/bu value out of this canola seed ??? or do you think maybe they are screwing us just a little ? funny how we always have some expert telling us what we need to stay viable . I definitelely never supported the CWB , but my opinion was that if all the grain co's wanted it gone , it wasn't going to be good for us ? well it sure hasn't made a bit of difference here in the n.e. but the grain co's have huge profits because it's gone . haven't heard hardly anything out of any farm groups on that issue ? supposedly our wheat in Canada is superior , meanwhile we are getting one of lowest prices anywhere , just so tired of the same shit being shoved down my throat , c-18 will be the same cash grab , but a few years from now take comfort knowing YOU supported it

[wmoebis]

If UPOV91 is such a great thing why didn't Brian Mulroney make it law when he agreed to it 25 yrs ago? Seems like it is likely out dated by now, a lot has changed in both farming and science of seed breeding.

[Hopalong]

Recall some pretty socialist type thinking from some public funded plant breeders in past. Some said they had difficulty working with private enterprise partnership.
Think that has changed and most now support bill C18 and UPOV 91. See continuing change coming and even producer check off funding losing ground to corporate and investor funds.
Better for growers to accept and work with change rather than just resist it.

[CptnObvious]

Gust:UPOV '91 in Europe has resulted in much development but also in crippling seed costs. Fortunately the farm subsidies are also very high there so that the farmers may act as a funnel for the seed patenters to hoover up all that government money.
Most breeders in the grain industry are not desperate to get in to UPOV '91, they have more than enough access to genetic material now( the next big breakthrough in FHB resistance looks to be coming from Chinese wheat).
If you want to meet a breeder not hugely in favour of C-18 try Ron DePau. He is retiring soon and isn't scared of pissing off funders.