Gustgd

[sawfly]

we all know how it will play out.

the Canola example is there before our eyes. (how stupid do they think we are)

Not that i think we can do anything about it, but stop feeding us the BS.

just take what happened to canola and apply it to every crop.
and no ,it will not happen over nite.

but look at canola

no public research breeding

no open free varieties.
or 50 years old ones.

effectively no patent expiration's
( with all the contractual provisions in seed purchases)

collusion , or fixing, or old boys
club pricing of every variety.

eg. it is not like an older var.
will sell for like 3-4-5-6$/lb.

no choices on seed treatment packages.
(you have to buy whatever snake oil treatment is on the seed, at whatever cost)


and like canola breeding ,the big seed co.s can afford to suck away all the
talent from the public and producer breeders.
(those entities may survive a few years)
( when you know you will have a monopoly in the end, and some one will end up paying for it.)

eg.look at cereal fungus research, Harper is already itching to hand that over.

take the years and money put into public Varieties by producers and govt.

these private outfits use these variates , (with no compensation to farmers and public) that got them this far. (strange)

basically a huge gift, which they can lock down, receive royalties on and eventually
control the market.

and the saddest part is they will control, every seed we could possibly plant.


i mean All. not just canola

Now how scary is that?

[Guest]

I guess I just wonder why we couldn't have a check off to fund an organization solely for the benifits of farmers ? they could address markets , inputs , transportation and look after the farming industry in general . instead of having people on boards making decisions we could hire the high price help necessary same as grain or seed co's do . I have served on boards and it is easy to get caught up in the rhetoric and give into peer pressure. but lawyers , consultants, accountants and grain traders could get past the bs in all of these issues and do what's right for us if they were working for us . this is a huge multi billion dollar industry that doesn't have a voice ??

[bgmb]

If I didnt already have mine bought I would be in. Sf3 needs to put his money where his mouth is now.

[foragefarmer]

Klaus

I don't know why you are sourcing fertilizer from various countries.

On a thread started by Lex on Dec 9 titled Urea. You stated twice you were quoted urea at $490/tonne locally. Now you are going through all this work and uncertainly to save maybe $20.00 a tonne

History has proven 9 out of the last 10 years booking fertilizer in the fall is always best. If farm storage is not available you may have to negotiate with dealers but there are options that can be worked out.

Good luck with non North American fertilizer purchases.

[Hopalong]

Experience has been too much populist support for, as you say, solely for benefit of farmers. Too
often, the fight has been for a larger piece of the pie rather than growing a larger pie.
Know it is a different philosophy and not the populist one but that is the way I see it.

[SASKFARMER3]

It's real easy to explain, gust was in diapers when we were getting 40 s in canola before the new hybrids arrived. We're now feeding the hybrids way more probably 60 to 70% more inputs.
We're getting yields about 5 to 10 higher.
Cost in beginning we cleaned our own seed, you could. We purchased seed treatment, you could, total a lb about 1.00.
Industry won.
Farmers lost.
Real simple.
Study and learn.
Now on wheat I'll make it real easy for some to understand.
We live in Canada, short season, cool climate. Basically 90 days to grow a crop.
Hrs or soft wheat or what ever they create, were still limited on yield because of climate.
So all promise in world we will never grow wheat like Europe.
Never.
So here is a fast forward into the future, I'm dead and gone sask4 or city 5 is in game.
Yield up 3 to 10 basically still selling for 4.75 to 6.
It's a filler crop.
Ah farming where some just can't get what's happening.

[bgmb]

I bet sf3 already has his bought at 490 too.

[fjlip]

That's way cheaper than the $395/tonne by container you quoted, now volume kicks in. Plus way less hassle, but no shipping of wheat? Don't need any here, but quality would be a concern. What guarantee? When is payment due?

[macdon02]

I'm covered for 15 crop. Not sure what you're thinking on timeline but if your looking at fall delivery I ll sign up 600mt. The way I see it, the locals need a tap on the forehead with a leadpipe. Not fussy on quality as I plan on floating through a boom. Just add @hotmail to my handle to contact

[SASKFARMER3]

No your wrong all nitrogen bought last fall. Before the run. They are gouging.
I also question its a lot of work for similar to more than fall price.
Thing that industry is screwing with, this year they wouldn't let independents and some company's taking delivery early and filling warehouses in July and August.
Our local guys would fill a old airplane hanger to the rim with nitrogen then deliver to farmers later for a 100 profit or 300 profit in spring. Suppliers f$&ked that up.
One problem in fert it's real easy to see its our producers of the product. Maybe dep could look into that also.