Gustgd

[grassfarmer]

Person,

Canada has always been competitive up to now, has always invested in public plant breeding. On top of that private companies have been free to invest their own dollars in development and charge what the market will bear for seed (the canola model)

Why change this to a system that handicaps the farmer and gives increased control and effectively subsidizes the private companies?

[SASKFARMER3]

Charlie we never will grow crops in Canada like Europe it's rather easy to understand why!
90 days to grow a crop in one of the hardest places on the planet to grow a crop.
They can promise to shit out rainbows from their ass for extra cost but in the long run we have peaked.
Unless they can shorten a crop to 75 days and not loose yield.
Or a winter wheat that can survive winters here, spring frosts till June and then grow day and night till August 3. With a shut down just before mid month.
It's nice to get hope and promise, but our increase in fert and fungicides is the reason our varieties have boosted yield so far, plant breeding not so much.
Canola promised the world, yea that turned out like they said.
It's all about the money, watch who will end up with more at the end of the day.
Industry 1
Farmers 0
Ah farming!

[grower99]

The pulse model is a great model for farmers. Too bad canola didn't have the same kind of farmer oriented directors as the pulse industry did in its early days.We would have great canola varieties at a reasonable cost like we have using the variety release program for pulses!!Too many were mouth pieces for non farmer interests?

[grower99]

Seems like, from the view of this federal govt, there is no value in supporting public breeding for something called the public good.They would sooner spend 100 million of taxpayer money on something called the"conservative good".

[charliep]

Grassfarmer.

My understanding is Europe plant breeding is mostly privately funded - very few public programs. Am I wrong?

[gustgd]

Grower99 for the pulse model to work in cereals it has to have no free riders.
Read compulsory non refundable.
I think that's against the law in Alberta? Grass farmer weren't you one of the voices against the Alberta beef check off? Maybe I have you mixed up with someone else?

Don't know if it needs to be 1% of gross, Grower99 it's your idea. I'll let you sign your name and let's see if Agriville runs with it?

[bgmb]

Gust, Thanks for the reply. When I pay royalties on certified seed under the current system who gets the royalty money? Is it the seed company (canterra, FP) or is it the government?

Will there be end point royalties on current varieties like Harvest once we adopt UPOV 91? or is it one of the ones that will be de registered to make way for new ones?

[bucket]

How can you use end point royalties?

Buy new seed and call it a different old variety when you haul?

How do you police it.

End point royalties will be another check off. Registered new varieties or not.

The end game is to get another cost passed to farmers.

Obviously the 20 to 1 return on investment for research isn't true or they would be self sustaining.

[gustgd]

Minister Ritz has committed that all "old" varieties will be grandfathered in.

End point royaltya are not a given although I would see as likely. The WG are still trying to sort through and see where we should land

IMO it's the fairest way to pay. In Australia they have an EPR seed companies encourage brown bagging as it gets the best varieties out over greatest amount of acres. You pay on production so a bad crop is less payout than a great one.

deregistration is a concern that needs to be addressed. See above post

Bucket the 20:1 is a return to farmers. Not WGRF
Again it's all about value capture.
The same reason Chem companies invest in Chemistry rather than agronomy.
I'd point you to the study on website, but I'm sure you won't read it.
Www.westerngrains.ca
How do you get return for shareholders?

[bucket]

But when you de register a variety like ac barrie. Why? Because it can't have an end point royalty put on it?

Grow less to pay less?

How about guys that want the high tech stuff pay up front. Those of us neanderthals that want to continue to use what we have carry on as we normally have?

And I will read thru it.