Wheat Growers in the Country Guide

[gustgd]

Membership is $300.00 all in

http://www.wheatgrowers.ca/join

Yes we accept sponsorship from all sectors of Ag.
We meet with their representatives to understand their issues.

If you think we'd sell out our farmer members for a few thousand dollars. We would end the association. A voluntary association with over fourty years of history.
Then we would be rightfully bounced by the membership.

If you don't like the ideas or policies attack them. This ad homonym stuff if getting old.

I was looking for another quote but these apply.

"It is amazing how many people think that they can answer an argument by attributing bad motives to those who disagree with them. Using this kind of reasoning, you can believe or not believe anything about anything, without having to bother to deal with facts or logic." -- Thomas Sowell


"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." -- Socrates

[bucket]

Gust

Stormin did ask a relevant question.

It does at times seem to appear that wcwga is handcuffed because of sponsorship association. It's optics.

It seems the railway issue is one wcwga took a pass on. It wasn't a left right issue. It is a noncompliance issue that all farm groups should be in agreement on.


Instead the wcwga fell into the nonsense of a market oriented solution for the railways. It was the same line farmers heard when the crow rate was eliminated.

Until the railways start to invest for the future requirements of rail and track capacity there is no solution.

You have to realize that railways over charged farmers for railcar maintenance and grain movement for years.

The railways have to rebuild trust before anyone believes they are actually trying to make a better system.

And I am not shitting on the wcwga but on the railway issue IMHO it would have been better to side with all farm groups as a united front to talk to the government rather than justify the railways position.

[wmoebis]

Does the wcwga advertise their sponsors? Do sponsors advertise that they are sponsors? I have never seen sponsorship lists and not aware of who sponsors are.
I think this lack of transparency breads miss trust.

[dmlfarmer]

I will ask this question again. How many members of the WCGA are actual farmers? Why will the WCGA not answer this question?

[bucket]

Stormin

To change grain contracts legislation will be required.

You will soon learn the federal ag minister is a might slow. Can't think forward so doing nothing is the safest bet.

His staff is protecting him and their jobs now by letting him sign his name to letters to the editor in the producer continuing his pissing match with stewart wells et al. He only sticks to the script now which makes him look more like a puppet.

And yes I voted conservative. Very disappointing.

[blackpowder]

Oh, to be young again.

[bucket]

Stormin

The overcharging of rail freight is the amount of money into the WGRF. Not every year but there have been good amounts some years.

It was proven they had been overcharging for car maintenance years ago. Some one fell asleep monitoring it.

Hey I agree if my grain gets sent to vancouver via railcar and I pay the freight and other costs to get it there, if I receive a fair return on it, it's great. Problem is, we are not even close.

Freight cost moose jaw to Vancouver is around 35 per tonne using 100 car unit train.

You tell me where the rest of the money is?

[bucket]

Stormin

There have been unbiased individuals that have tried to broker a deal to put the NFU and the wcwga in the same room to represent farmers on common issues.

Those groups won't do it.

Politicians like it that way and so do industries in the chain.

Individuals that try on their own are either ostricized or told to join a group. In other words told to **** off or conform.

You are on the right track and agree. But you have a steep climb ahead of you.

Political staff become ignorant or arrogant. Politicians rarely call back until election time.

And almost everything needed to fix farming issues requires legislation.

Ritz is only listening to one group which only has the interests of 500 paying members out of a farming population of 75000 farmers.

That's less than 1 percent of the farming population influencing the ag minister.

[blackpowder]

You sound like me 20-30 yrs ago.
Do yourself a favor. Drop the "were
All fkd, everybodys *** us, everything is nothing but completely and permanently fkd" outlook on life. Youll see your mistakes earlier and might live longer than I will.

[bucket]

Stormin

Go buy a semi and truck your grain miles further than should be required.

When you are done paying for fuel tires and another semi after you wear the first one out, you can enter the club of conformists that say it all makes sense to drive past what should be a highly efficient grain system.

But don't blame the railways or graincos - blame yourself. Geezus.

[gustgd]

Dml because you asked so nicely.
All/none/somewhere in between. Our regs say they don't have to be but I suspect most/all are.


You going to attack arguments or stick to the numbers?

Bucket. That's pretty much it. If your issues are our members issues we'll see what we can do. If your issues are your issues.......

You people are railing against what a voluntary group is accomplishing. Lots of avenues if you spent as much time contacting organizations you have to belong to as you do on here you would be better off.

Better yet throw your hat I. The ring and get involved.
All the best Gerrid

[blackpowder]

Wrestling a pig in the mud.
Sooner or later you realize the pig enjoys it.
We can all agree the system needs work. Half of the population on here while not being part of the problem per se, arent necessarily part of any solution.