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[freewheat]

grass guy, you never got that in the worst years, there were over 40 inches twice. Also, it changes literally in a 5 miles stretch, so weather stations weather smations. Heck, I run one, and I know what happens on my doorstep is not what happens at wynyard. Wynyard is MUCH drier than here, yet it is only 40 miles away. They are two and three soil zones different.

[Klause]

Grass try Melville / Fort Quappele


18 inches eh?

We had 17.2 last year in May/June/July not counting snow or all the rain in September.


Average rainfall for mellville is 514mm or 20 inches. According to environment and stats canada The average over the flood years was 250 to 310%.

That's 50 to 60 inches.

[freewheat]

After two 40 inch years, every tenth ran off the land. You simply are missing the point. And trying to tell us how much it rained is silly. It is variable, and using wynyard numbers is plain silly for the reasons above.

After the initial nasty years, less rain is still flooding the land, because of saturation. And it takes less rain to cause flooding after it is that wet. The type of weather pattern, where the sun does not show for weeks, exacerbates the issue. A 6 day drizzle, maybe only brings a total of an inch, but on hyper saturated soils, it is unbelievable.

I don't understand why you are arguing against those of us who lived it.

When water is running under the snow in October, and does not stop all winter, and then you get 6 feet of snow on top of that, you are screwed.

[jake550]

More proof of lack of experience (and something else which is to rude to say) from grassfarmer. We had 8 inches here in 3 hours July 6, 2013 and the nearest town/weather station is 9 miles away and they recorded 1.5 inches. So yes it does vary wildly within a few miles.

[freewheat]

20 inches, with dry periods and sun between, no problem. But if the pattern is for an inch of drizzle with ZERO drying between rainfalls, it simply takes less rain to saturate the soil.

Our area average rainfall is right at 20-21 inches. Until 2006, this was never a problem, except in the 50's there were some wetter than normal years. But there is usually some SUNSHINE between the weekly inch of rain.

[farmaholic]

If I was you, I would quit defending yourselves against people who refuse to listen and whose main goal is to discredit you and prove you wrong.

[grassfarmer]

How does that work Klause? Site I quoted shows Melville as 18.38" 2000-2012 average. If you had even one year at 60 inches that would add 4" per year over the decade so how come it doesn't show up?
Fort Quappele doesn't have data on that site maybe SF3 smashed the equipment in his rage?

[freewheat]

Grass, a little story for you. In 2012, I was heading out to seed some land of mine 7 miles from my home. I put the wings up on the drill, and BANG it poured. We got over an inch in about 5 minutes. The creek was running again. I shut the tractor off, and went to go down the road to see if there was a hope to still head out to seed. Took the truck. I got 200 yards south of my driveway, and the road was dusting.

That, my friend, is how it works. That is why recording sites can have very different results from the general region. Heck, 10 miles to the south that year, they had a bit more than half the rain we had.

In 2001-03, we grew some of the best crops ever on this farm, while 7 miles northwest, it was a disaster for dryness. They could't buy a rain. We were almost too wet.

If you have been farming at all, you would recognize that weather can vary enormously in a very short distance...

[grassfarmer]

I accept that variation freewheat but equally you can't claim every weather station is missing all the rain. By a law of averages some of the weather stations must get deluged worse than the surrounding area.

[fjlip]

It's those "stuck weather" isolated stationary spinning storms that f*ck you up with inches in minutes. Seem to pick same storm tracks!
Happens in this area EVERY year, just not on same farms. 2012 great crops, our whole farm had hail twice in 20-40% percent and 20" rain. Crop was shit, small area only. Last year a T -storm sat on Naicam to Archerwill area all night, 7" in places, with hail, zip for crop!

[Klause]

Grassfarmer that works because I use government services. You are using a 3rd party website that's totally bogus.


How can Melville and Wynyard have the same rainfall averages? Think about that a little bit... that's like saying three Hills and Olds get the same amount of rain.


If we were getting normal rainfall why are highways getting washed out? Why I'd it on national news?

Your arguments and your whole thought process on this topic are so ludicrous it isn't even worth arguing with you about it.

[furrowtickler]

I was in that area at the end of June and first few days of July last year - never seen such a big area under water . It was truly unbelievable there was any crop at all that survived that .
There was the odd pocket of decent crop, maybe 20%. That was from Stoon to Yorkton to Lake of the Praries back through Kamsak to Stoon.
It was a sick feeling to think of how many acres were destroyed from flooding .
Agree with many on here - until you witness that it hard to grasp.
Also having no sun and cool temps for extended periods when wet is devestaing in a short growing season. That has been a huge part of root rot in peas.

[dykercaseih]

Hello Grassfarmer,
Normally I would not reply to such drivel as its useless, but its windy and cold and I have a little time on my hands this afternoon. The Big Quill/Little Quill lakes are a flood basin. They have flooded before and are in the process of going back to that same flood levels that was seen 100 years ago. If your in the air by plane you can see the old line of where the water once went too. Its heading there again and is a cycle in mother natures course. Now if you happen to farm around this district you essentially don't need irrigation as we learned in grade 4 and 5 science class how evaporation and the water cycle works. We essentially live by an inland ocean, and that is what big quill is right now it truly is a marvel and hard to fathom how big it really is. I farm north of the lake and just like clock work you can go 4 miles out of Quill and that is the line where the rain always really starts to drop. Truthfully has always been like this but especially now. I have land that missed the 7 inch hail onslaught last year by about 5 miles, but I had my turn in 2006 when every acre we farmed was hailed out and received 6.75 inches that night in September. That night was the start of our s hit show. 2010 was the epic of it though, our yard we had 44 inches of measured rainfall and truthfully a person probably missed a few inches. Last year had a bad run where we received like 7 plus inches in 2 measured days and that lead to the roads washing out. Now normally this happens more north of the lake but the south was also hit even worse.

Moving forward I don't see a drought on the horizon for my area no matter what drew says is in the forecast. We just have too big a body of water for evaporation to repeat the cycle. Anyway, the point of the post is there is a lot of bit ching on this site and often lots isn't even worth reading. On the rain topic in this area what people are saying is true and has happened.
I would lay money in vegas if I could that it will continue to happen and that farming just wont be easy in our parts. Just the way it is, we decided to set up shop around a massive flood basin and mother nature is redropping that water.

[freewheat]

Excellent point on the Lakes and weather patterns. Wynyard, being south of the lakes, is dryer because of it. I have always felt we are hugely affected by the huge water that the lakes are. As you go further east from the lakes, the more rain generally dumps. And then towards Preeceville, the systems often end or lessen, because they have dumped their load. ON me!

Plus we are in a higher area, a mini escarpment, and IMO, in a relatively flat area, a hundred or so feet of topograghy change, can cause systems to stall or shift. I can not otherwise explain why we seem to almost ALWAYS get more rain than just about anywhere else in the province.

The lakes, the elevation change, and the forest to the north 20 miles, conspire to make this area a mockery. That is my theory.

[checking]

Without correct spelling, ever if it is correct, you may be giving away to much information.

Sign on a business establishment's door, "Closed due to personal circumcisions. Apologies for any inconveniences caused."

It's telling you to lose the "loose" because you do not want to be known for having a shitty disposition.

I have seen, as freewheat describes, where a one tenth inch rain in late June has the water runs moving like a spring breakup, but generally we are wanting rain, in this area.