Off Topic Re-Fracking Oil Wells

[grassfarmer]

You are the one making a fool of yourself Klause - thought Xanthan gum was a dangerous chemical, thought methanol wasn't used - both proven categorically wrong.

Still haven't figured out how fracking products and groundwater can mix despite realizing there are poor cement jobs, leaking and corroded old wells. What about Pavillion and right here in my neighbourhood where products like BTEXs show up in water sources?

I'm living it, fracking and flaring all around and underneath us - not some grain farmer from another province with a rig pig winter job . All the fracking around here is shale gas, site after site, section after section.

What I'm against is this current substantially different type of fracking - being used on the horizontal wells.
The means that they are using to gain access under peoples property while paying no compensation. I'm against the almost total non-regulation in Alberta - we have the strictest rules in the world but there is no enforcement. The "regulator" in this province was de-regulated and is now entirely oil company funded with zero accountability and in fact acts as a bodyguard for the oil/gas industry. The whole system of energy extraction here is corrupt from top to bottom from oil companies to the government, all in bed together and working against the landowners and farmers of this province. But I guess you know better driving truck in Saskabush.

[oneoff]

Lets throw in the topic of witching and dowsing.

Then we'll find out what true B.S. is; and who's full of it..

[grgsrvc]

When fracing opponents get shown the facts of the matter they all resort to the paid off by the oil company card. Happens all the the time on all the other social medit sites why should it be any different here?

At over a million dollars per zone cost I would have to think somebody with a lot more education and experience then what you can get off the internet machine is in charge and understands the risks and processes better then some shrill ginger.

[parsley]

Oil and their "rig pigs", as well as land and their 'stubblejumpers', are the two main industries that have given Western Canada the high standard of living people all over the world would give their eye teeth for.

Both rig pigs and stubble jumpers are at the top of their game in the entire world, and both are viewed as experts in their fields.

Land and oil.
And the folks who turn both into wealth.

And don't ever ****ing forget it grassfarmer. Parsley.

[Klause]

So... When your shown your a fool you resort to name calling. Yup typical.


Do you have mineral rights? Nope.

A directional well is pulling oil or gas out and you have no lease roads no contaminants no well heads and no compaction. Why should you be getting any money? It doesn't affect you.


I'm sure if you wanted the well head on your land they would put one there.


Big difference between an 800m vertical gas well and a 2400m horizontal multi stage well... on the order of a few million dollars.


Your proof of methanol being used is a white paper from the organization promoting methanol...


did you know they used to use kerosene?

That's a hydro carbon.

Methanol is organic and biodegradable.


Are you saying you have methanol in your water?



How about heavy metals? Find any of those?



In our area here some wells actually bubble gas in the water... never had a well drilled for gas or oil ever... just natural... If they would start pulling gas then the pressure would drop and it wouldn't be in the water.



As far as regulations... you have no clue. Do you know the rules we have today for spill prevention blowouts cementing abandonment over drill etc etc? They are strictly followed. The days of cowboy drilling are long gone.


Look at your own white paper... 15% of 65 lbs used is methanol... that's one bag they throw in. 4 ppm.

You have more chance of having methanol in your well from spilling a jug of air brake antifreeze than fracking.


If you are "living it" show us water well test results from before fracking and after.


Good going insulting all those that grown grain and pull oil out of the ground on here. Pars hit the nail on the head.

[grgsrvc]

Grassy stick to telling us how to fatten cattle with grass and how to direct market them to consumers. When you talk about that you come across as a messiah.

[Klause]

Btw your own white paper says fracking was invented decades ago.

This isn't new... but the chemicals used are far less dangerous than those used in the old times.


Because you are in an area that has lots of fluids in the gas... I suspect VOC's have been around for ever.


Old wells do leak... my in laws have a gas well that is leaking salt water to surface around the casing... poor cement job and the company that drilled it is long gone... that is a problem... and that we'll wasn't fractured.

However in the past 30 years things have changed a lot.


Look up north... Sagd... CNRL had thr misfortune of having their steam chamber hit an old poorly abandoned well and they had oil being blown to surface for weeks.

again no fracturing involved...

[grassfarmer]

The righteous indignation of a few haters won't stop me putting the facts out as I know many others read and absorb the information.

Oneoff who has nothing to contribute to the thread - zero.

grgsrvc Whose only role has been to hide behind an alias and prove that he knows who I am - as I said creepy but you are not intimidating me.

Parsley trying to shock with her rudeness and superiority - water off a duck's back.

Klause who continues to be wrong with his information.
Were wrong on the Xanthum gum product

wrong on the methanol

wrong on the regulations as they are implemented in Alberta - how could you know you have never been a landowner here.

wrong on before and after water tests as you obviously don't know how they are tested here.
Maybe you could give us your "expert" opinion on the water test results in the Ernst case where the test results on public record and available on the internet were deliberately changed by with a Government or ERCB official - many of us have seen the before and after screenshots of those results.

Wrong - still arguing that fracking isn't new - I never said it was I said how it is done now is substantially different.

#cowboy dilling#banana republic#Alberta supported by unaffected Saskatchewanites. Hilarious.

[grassfarmer]

"...by either a.."

[parsley]

You insulted decent, hard-working men and women calling them "rig-pigs" , and then have the audacity to call us haters.

You don't even realize that the entirely of Canada is #affected by Alberta's wealth creation. Every single province has been #affected #leastweforget

You owe rig workers an apology Are you man enough to issue one? Parsley.

[Klause]

I work in alberta every winter. Have for 6 or 7 years. I know the regulations. I live them. I have a pile of friends in alberta in the oilfield areas that farm. I've been on rigs drilling their wells.

My inlaws live in oil and gas Country. My wife grew up with wells all around her.

You aren't spreading truth... your spreading fudd insulting any who contradicts you.


Other people read this. .. exactly why we won't let you get away with it.

[Klause]

I don't want publicized bs. I want cold hard facts. I want test results from your wells done recently.


Do you know how many bags of barazan I've mixed? Seriously...


I took the methanol numbers from your own white paper.


You arguing this is as futile as telling all of us in the eastern prairies that it isn't wet HERE. When you Are THERE and have never been HERE.


With your attitude good luck in Manitoba. I feel for your new neighbour's.