Off Topic Re-Fracking Oil Wells

[Klause]

Btw your own white paper says fracking was invented decades ago.

This isn't new... but the chemicals used are far less dangerous than those used in the old times.


Because you are in an area that has lots of fluids in the gas... I suspect VOC's have been around for ever.


Old wells do leak... my in laws have a gas well that is leaking salt water to surface around the casing... poor cement job and the company that drilled it is long gone... that is a problem... and that we'll wasn't fractured.

However in the past 30 years things have changed a lot.


Look up north... Sagd... CNRL had thr misfortune of having their steam chamber hit an old poorly abandoned well and they had oil being blown to surface for weeks.

again no fracturing involved...

[grassfarmer]

The righteous indignation of a few haters won't stop me putting the facts out as I know many others read and absorb the information.

Oneoff who has nothing to contribute to the thread - zero.

grgsrvc Whose only role has been to hide behind an alias and prove that he knows who I am - as I said creepy but you are not intimidating me.

Parsley trying to shock with her rudeness and superiority - water off a duck's back.

Klause who continues to be wrong with his information.
Were wrong on the Xanthum gum product

wrong on the methanol

wrong on the regulations as they are implemented in Alberta - how could you know you have never been a landowner here.

wrong on before and after water tests as you obviously don't know how they are tested here.
Maybe you could give us your "expert" opinion on the water test results in the Ernst case where the test results on public record and available on the internet were deliberately changed by with a Government or ERCB official - many of us have seen the before and after screenshots of those results.

Wrong - still arguing that fracking isn't new - I never said it was I said how it is done now is substantially different.

#cowboy dilling#banana republic#Alberta supported by unaffected Saskatchewanites. Hilarious.

[grassfarmer]

"...by either a.."

[parsley]

You insulted decent, hard-working men and women calling them "rig-pigs" , and then have the audacity to call us haters.

You don't even realize that the entirely of Canada is #affected by Alberta's wealth creation. Every single province has been #affected #leastweforget

You owe rig workers an apology Are you man enough to issue one? Parsley.

[Klause]

I work in alberta every winter. Have for 6 or 7 years. I know the regulations. I live them. I have a pile of friends in alberta in the oilfield areas that farm. I've been on rigs drilling their wells.

My inlaws live in oil and gas Country. My wife grew up with wells all around her.

You aren't spreading truth... your spreading fudd insulting any who contradicts you.


Other people read this. .. exactly why we won't let you get away with it.

[Klause]

I don't want publicized bs. I want cold hard facts. I want test results from your wells done recently.


Do you know how many bags of barazan I've mixed? Seriously...


I took the methanol numbers from your own white paper.


You arguing this is as futile as telling all of us in the eastern prairies that it isn't wet HERE. When you Are THERE and have never been HERE.


With your attitude good luck in Manitoba. I feel for your new neighbour's.

[WiltonRanch]

I live in oil country on the west side sask. There have been wells here since the 1950's with no adverse effects to groundwater. The oil activity has been an asset to this area. Our oil deposits contain a lot of salt water which is produced and pumped back into injection wells. There is the same concern around here like grass has about fracking. However it's been done here for 50 years with little problem. I think the biggest problem is the general public doesn't really know what goes on and can fall prey to those who oppose it and throw out some anecdotal stories and passion. Yes I am not informed enough to know grass's situation and I respect his critical approach. People must think once in a while and not accept everything at face value. Grass doesn't agree with fracking fine but getting personal and name calling is not acceptable. This country was built on oil and ag. For an outsider to bash what this country was built on really insults a lot of us. Calling a saskatchewan farmer a stubble jumper and oil man a rig pig would be like me calling an Englishman a Pom. Shit where does it end. Again grass I respect your insight on most topics and have learned a lot from your contributions but don't go punching outta your weight class

[grassfarmer]

WiltonRanch, the insults go both ways in this thread as usual Besides I never mentioned stubble jumper that was parsley.

Parsley, we are in a battle here - agriculture versus industrial activity that threatens our land, water and ability to farm. i won't be issuing any apology to the "other side" as I don't respect their position much like most of the grain farmers view the grain co's and railroads as the "other side" in that debate. I'm surprised you aren't more interested in defending agriculture. Maybe google Diana Daunheimer an organic farmer near Didsbury who has been badly affected by fracking.

Klause works for the other side - following the oil sector code of silence so no surprise he opposes me. Won't be posting any of my water well data - why would I? nowhere did I say our water wells had been contaminated.

Lets put the methanol thing to bed - you stated "Methanol is never used" I proved that statement wrong so why are you trying to quote levels of methanol from the information i posted? "None" was what you claimed - you were wrong.

[Klause]

Ooh I'm evil now cause I work for the oil industry.


Yup I'm silent. I've been called many things and accused of many things... I'll admit to being an obnoxious loud mouth sometimes but silent??? LOL.

Drilling and completions fluids change from well to well. I never said it is used I have never seen it used. Your white paper shows it as a possibility.

Diesel is another one. So is kerosene.

Weather they get used or not is a different story. Some chemicals are nasty and are still used when we'll conditions require it.


I don't understand it all and there's many on here with more experience than myself... However you have 0 experience.


Now you state you don't have any contamination... so what you have just proved is you are being an environmentalist parrot.


Please show some respect for the men and women that work long hours far away from home and family so your house can be warm your truck can drive and your cows can be fed.

[grassfarmer]

More nonsense.

You are the one parroting the oilfield safety story. Can't speak against them or you will be blackballed in the patch. See it all the time, live amongst it.

I have respect for the vacc truck driver that broke the code of silence, disgusted that he had been ordered to dump 2 loads of recovered frac fluid in the river that runs through my land because they got behind hauling it away. Showing courage that few in the patch do, speaking up against wrong doing.

I like the "respect for the folks working away from home so my house can be heated" They get paid for doing a job and I in turn pay for the product. Normal business transactions.

By the same token though shouldn't you be showing your respect for the people working in the fertilizer plants in north America to give you the product to grow your crops instead of sneaking off to China or Russia and trying to undercut them?

[WiltonRanch]

Geeze grass I'd like to know what oil co was doing that. That's bloody wrong and illegal but do you think it's more to do with the contractor not able to keep up and instead of bringing in another truck just thought he could dump her on the sly to catch up? One time we were selling water to some rigs and we got a call from the fluid hauler apologizing that her driver had taken water from a neighbours slough instead because he was too lazy to walk 50 feet. Shit like this goes on it's human nature to be lazy.

[grassfarmer]

I would assume a contractor or sub-contractor but shouldn't they be answerable to the company running the drilling rig? As you say it's human nature - but when you are dealing with dangerous stuff like this you need regulation and you need enforcement.

In the Daunheimer case she complained about an illegal pipe dump and the AER issued a compliance notice to the company. The company confirmed later to the AER that they had dealt with it and it was all cleared up. AER never checked but there had never even been anyone visit the site let alone tidy it up. It took another complaint before it was addressed.

Under the new expanded role for AER (the oil company funded "Alberta Energy Regulator") Alberta Environment officials are not allowed to set foot on a lease site in AB.
AER has I believe now also has responsibility for the water portfolio in AB.

[Klause]

Nonesense?


How the heck would I be blackballed in the patch? This site is annonymous... LOL.


Quit with the conspiracy theories... they are childish.


That guy who was ordered to dump the fluid... did at any time him or you bring it up with the company man? Don't care what oil company it was - even CNRL would have canned his boss, and the company immediately... Shit like that doesn't happen.


We can't legally push a tree down anymore or the oil company is fined, and in turn they fire whoever did it. Happened last winter at a Cenovus site.


The regulation is there, and there is enforcement.

On that same stroke, let's have on farm enforcement of the use of drugs in cattle... There's lots of abuses there.

I'm sorry, but more regulation isn't needed... And I'm also not sure how you figure a ban on fracking will stop this kind of stuff...


I'm still confused as to what Diana Daunheimer (I'll note, another New Canadian) is suing for...

In [URL="http://www.ernstversusencana.ca/canadian-diana-daunheimer-awaits-february-7-statement-of-defence-on-fracking-nightmare-by-angle-energy-recently-purchased-by-bellatrix"] This article[/URL] (written by Deutsche Welle, a German Government-owned broadcaster), they ramble on... and on...

Then they say this:

<blockquote>have members of a group called Cochrane Area Under Siege, just outside the town of Cochrane, 20 minutes north of Calgary. In response to their complaints, Alberta Health Services compared medical billing records in the Cochrane district with a similar area where fracking is less intense. The results of the study were inconclusive. Dr. Richard Musto, medical officer of health for Alberta Health Services, admits that local health complaints are “biologically plausible” and that further investigation is warranted. He also indicates that further studies would benefit from a more complete disclosure of the content of airborne emissions from southern Alberta’s fracking operations. [Albertans living frac'd with contaminated drinking water are not even able to get the details on the toxic chemicals injected despite endless promises from the "new" regulator and old (ERCB, previously EUB, previously ERCB before that) that chemicals in frac fluids available upon request.]

</blockquote>


Flaring is a waste of gas... but really.


BTEX's will always be in oil and gas production... because they are components of oil and gas. It's like saying that hormones need to be removed from beef... Well.. guess what... natural beef has hormones BECAUSE THE COWS PRODUCE THEM.



Tell me, are you still going to campaign about Alberta oil and gas when you're in Manitoba far away from energy resources?

[Klause]

By the way... My comments regarding oilfield workers were in direct response to calling all of us who pull oil out of the ground "rig pigs".

You don't see me using derogatory names for the employees of fertilizer companies, now do you?

[farmaholic]

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Do you want extra butter with that sir?

Amusing....