ISIS

[blackpowder]

When is a cult a religion?
Do I start to care when your son in uniform is held by them or not until my family is blown up by them?
History has and will repeat itself. I can't predict how.
Being weak doesn't have to mean failing to engage militarily. To me it means failing to ever draw a line.
Is not allowing the construction of a church because the pastor preaches and aligns only with dangerous behaviour common sense or prejudice?
Is allowing citizenship and a passport to a person with a hidden face so that we don't get labeled prejudiced safe?
I don't see this the same way as turning back boats of Jews in 1939.
We have the technology and right to revoke the passport of anyone we please and refuse entry, even citizenship to anyone we please even those born here.
Does it matter today if the solution in time will come from money or love? It must not come from giving in to ourselves until we don't exist.
We can agree to disagree on the size and scope of ISIS but not on the seriousness of what they are.
It's wise to be as watchful of the coward as the rabid. They are equally dangerous if not more so.

[riders2010]

Do all of you realize just how close this is to an all out world war? Personally I think it began some time ago. You don t just get a group like Isis pop up and take that vast amount of land under control over night without massive amounts of people fighting g for it and if not axtuly fighting for it supporting it.

How come we never hear numbers of how many Isis there are there? And world wide? We don't because the answer would astonish.

Where are they really getting their money and weapons etc funded from. Do you really think not from so called Canadians? Americans?

It's only my opinion but I believe the planned infiltration occurred long ago. Just as people were ashtonished those planes were hijacked and flown into those towers. After the facts came out
It was astonishing it hadn't happened sooner. And just how easy it was. We live in this fake bubble and have been programmed to believe none of this can happen here. We re not stars in. A television movie. Think again. And it's actually very easy to happen here. I think while we argue over whether it is strictly religion or strictly about poverty the answer is that it is likely a combination
Of all the above.

What's scarey is the responses of the American president. That election cannot come soon enough.

[Oliver88]

Riders2010 on the topic of where does there money come from........I'm going with OPEC oil sales.
Oil sales in OPEC countries that are Islamic would be where the funding is coming from. Countries like Saudi Arabia have been funding a lot of mosques that recruit terrorists.

This is another reason why Obama blocking the Keystone XL pipeline is so misguided. The pipeline would decrease the demand for the "terror funding" oil that is produced by some OPEC countries.

[sawfly]

i do no think we should view ourselves so high and mighty.
65 years ago single camps in Germany killed 8,000 people a day.
( not on you tube though)

yes they are crazy religious nuts .
but you have Christians waiting for the apocalypse too.

there has been more going on there for thousands of years.
and we have only heard one side of it.
nuking the region would only fuel the battle another 1000 years.

maybe if the west stopped legitimizing
their religions, a doubting seed
might grow in Islam.

[charliep]

Just making everyone including Parsley has read the article that started things. It is about one terrorists strict interpretation of Islam/the Koran - not Muslims in general or their core beliefs. A significant portion deals with why the Sunni and Shia sects hate each other and therefore the justification for violence against each other.

[samhill]

First of all I support and believe the view that Pars presents. I have worked with Muslims in Canada and have seen their attitude to non believers. They believe it is acceptable to lie to infidels, and they do. Supposedly they do not believe in electing governments, as that means they recognize an authority other than Allah and His spokespersons.
I believe they present a clear and present danger to our country. I am also concerned they are funded and used by people who profit from their fighting, and we have ample evidence of manipulation and coverup. Canada should denounce Islam faith and not allow citizenship in this country, based on the teachings of Mohammed. They are free to practice in their own countries and we should try to discourage their barbaric activities there through knowledge and example. If its simply about control of oil resources and the profit for the military industrial corporations, let them remain in the Levant and let the marketplace rule. Change within the Muslim community must come from their adherents, but we need not tolerate their outlandish and ridiculous customs in this country. Noone should walk our streets wearing a mask, especially not to a voting booth, do not come to my property wearing a mask. All persons have rights and freedoms equally.
Those who wish for a CWB with its former gestapo powers should be ashamed. Quoted so many times, those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.

[charliep]

I note your quote samhill:

those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.

What does freedom of religion mean as a constitutional/human rights issue mean in Canada?

[agchat]

Quoted so many times, those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.
Quoted by who?

[cottonpicken]

Franklin or Jefferson or one of the other founders i think

[foragefarmer]

Samhill

"Those who wish for a CWB with its former gestapo powers should be ashamed."

Comparing freedom of marketing wheat to controlling the freedom of Muslims in Canada.

I'm sure all Canadian Muslims feel for you Samhill, you have suffered such hardship under CWB marketing. Muslims would all gladly give up their Canadian freedom as they'd be getting off so easy compared to the pain and suffering you went through.

[charliep]

From a google search. Lots of other links but here is the one I will post.

[URL="http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/quotable/quote04.htm"]Franklin[/URL]

[parsley]

Benjamin Franklin also said
":Geese are but Geese tho' we may think 'em Swans; and Truth will be Truth tho' it sometimes prove mortifying and distasteful."