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    #11
    the crow is history ,the farmer payout covered the increase in rates for three years. and yes the railroads or owners
    backed out of the deal , what else is new.(their word is worthless)

    The WGTA ,
    the liberal and Conservative govt.s could have fixed its technical problems .
    but didn't because they were too stupid or lazy.(what a govt.)

    RRs got what they wanted. and in return promised to build infrastructure and haul.

    right , the same lines of BS all over again now.

    the RR.s see all the money the grain. co.s are stealing, and are pissed because it was theirs to steal.

    now would someone please explain to me
    how a govt or business can enter into a deal with a monopoly, and expect the monopoly to hold up their end.

    never , they do not have to do, f all.
    just take the money and run.
    use the extra $ for oil tracks or dividends whatever.

    if a cost profit ROI is not enough incentive to work , what is?
    pay whatever rate , they still can do what they please.
    who else is gonna haul it.

    if the govt.s had not sold off CN.
    the whole country could have invested
    in the infrastructure.
    and built world class transport system.

    to the benefit of every producer and consumer and the strength of the nation..

    CP would actually have a competitor
    instead of co -conspirator.
    and rates would reflect cost and profit.

    you guys do not want socialist policy's at any cost.
    but it is getting expensive.

    Norway has their own oil co. and 64 billion in their heritage fund,
    Alberta has 4.

    even the US has the govt. run Mississippi.

    well, we used to have 1 railroad and one oil company, and even a potash co.
    thanks to liberals and Conservative.

    now we have SFA

    and instead of our freight $ being invested in tracks and stuff in canada.
    it is gone far away , just like Alberta's heritage fund.
    buying a yacht for somebody somewhere.(

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      #12
      I think the WGEA members could do better themselves to increase capacity. How many of their port facilities have loop tracks for quicker turnaround times? I know Vancouver is crowded but, at least make an effort.

      I think the revenue cap has to stay. To remove it would be a blood bath for most farmers in the prairies.

      Maybe the gov't needs to threaten the WGEA with a revenue cap to wake them up a bit.

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        #13
        Viterra is putting 100 M into Pacific and Richardson 120 M into North Van.

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          #14
          That's good news. So now how does Rupert boost it's efficiency?

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            #15
            Its all customers overlooking the bogus industry claims that "losing money" equates to not making some 20 % plus rate of return.

            Preferably a lot more.

            And definately at least as high a return as their most lucrative portion of existing business.

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              #16
              From Feb 13th 2013 WP:
              Wade Sobkowich, executive director of the Western Grain Elevators Association, said there is only one pot of money, and farmers will receive less for their grain if they are paid for storage or given less dockage.

              “If they pay farmers for on-farm storage, then money has to be taken away from somewhere else,” said Sobkowich.

              You can replace the words dockage or storage with any other charge/cap or investment in port/inland facilities.

              I don't think anyone is going to give up anything. Except of course farmers.
              They will just find another place to extract it from.

              Remember the CGC doesn't set fees anymore, they just report what the elevators are going to charge you. Which means what to us now? Charges are not even transparent, they are hidden in the basis.

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                #17
                Agrville certainly is good at identifying the problem......

                over and over and over and over.

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                  #18
                  Prince Rupert came into its own last year.

                  Design capacity 7M tonne /year. In 2014 they did 6.456M tonne. 209,510 tonnes in size.

                  Compare to Vancouver.
                  Bulk shipping terminal space - 906,250 tonne. 2014 19.6176 M tonne

                  To be fair Prince Rupert mainly handles wheat and canola while Vancouver handles everything. Still Prince Rupert did well last year.

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                    #19
                    Brave heart look on Google earth at Vancouver and tell us all how they could put in loop tracks. problem we've got as farmers is just shooting mouths cd without knowing facts

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                      #20
                      And the solutions need statesmen/women in gov and business that values all of the chain fairly. None can be GREEDY. Could take a few generations.

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