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    Time to Get into Bed with the Chinese? Just thinking out loud!

    Just doing a lot of thinking while gone and maybe a new way of farming is needed. Yes their is the old way of grow grain sell grain elevator cleans then adds at coast if to clean and ships product away.
    Maybe this Chinese investment in land needs to be embraced and not just as a tenant agreement but as a full blown partners.
    One area of the world needs food one area over produces food. This maybe might work.
    Right now companies in China are paying as a example some 10 dollars Canadian or higher for HRS. Yet in Canada the main stream grain companies paid on average probably 5 or less for this crop and will make Some 3 to 5 dollar profit or basically double the cost for doing sweet F$%K all.
    Freight to china is about 19 a ton on Canola to boat product from Vancouver to China. That came from Richardson meeting family was at.
    So this thing North of us with Chinese elevator got me thinking.
    Why not do a joint venture its clear they have no clue on farming in Canada. With the failure of Max crap as a farm operation. They do have the specialty of hands on with back in China, Understand the culture the structure the politics over their.
    Simply take the land they purchased in our area. Throw the tenant that's on it now off. Take all the land owned by us plus owned by them in area and create a new super farm. Run by farmers. Have them set up the trading end as their partnership. To containers back to china and bring containers of fert and Roundup etc. back here. Crush canola here and send oil in Round up return totes back. These would be steamed before returning or get knew. Rent would be paid from the new company to all participants. Wage would be paid to all participants. Higher land value would have higher rent. Lower land value lower rent. Machinery would be purchased by new company or leased to new company.
    Expand seed cleaning end to be able to do a container every day or 12 hours etc.
    Again just thinking maybe I was wrong with the Chinese investment in Canada. Maybe their part of a farms future.
    If the new farm is 30000 acres and have 10 to 20 of these agreements out their in the prairie provinces.
    The current system is taking us down the road of every thing from seed to final sale overseas is controlled by industry.
    We think were working for ourselves but the way farming is going were losing every single day. Our partners have taken us over.
    If a Chinese company that we are dealing with needs a certain Wheat we grow it out of existing stock. No seed rights to BS groups. It never enters the Canadian system. Same with Canola etc.
    Fertilizer deals back as quick as grain out. Yes a big holding sheds would be needed. But a 200 to 300 a ton discount could easily be recovered in a short time.
    Income back to company I think is easy. If their is 3 to 5 on the table right now for the middle man. Wouldn't a company back in China want to go with a oh say 1.50 to 3 discount from conventional grain companies as the system now has.
    Farm getting 8 a bushel for wheat in mid point Sask is profitable.
    Red Deer for years has had a display machine that cleans and crushes canola on a small scale plus pellets the by product. It cost I think 30000. Why not add that plus maybe make our own diesel as that's nuts and controlled by who knows what.
    Its kind of going off the grid on a much larger scale.
    Containers are sitting in Vancouver with no need and no more space to store them. Why not put this to better use.
    Shipping containers is a win win for railways have product coming both ways.
    Ah farming is this the new reality. Just thinking out loud but the current way is not working. Or is it work for the Chinese vs work for Industry either way your working.
    Ah farming 2020.

    #2
    Now you are on to something ! I was sitting at one of chemical co propaganda meetings looking at a chart of how much Canadian canola is bought by China . Then in the next breath ,one of the reps said how shitty Chinese chem and fert was , and I was thinking , why aren't we supporting our Chinese customers more with our inputs .?? I think what you are talking about is exactly what is needed . I can grow crops , but am not a very good marketer and don't feel I should have to be an expert at everything . This is a very good idea and they would embrace our efforts . The Chinese customers are probably as sick of getting gouged by bloodthirsty middlemen as we are

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      #3
      Its like cutting off the blood sucker that's attached to your body. If the middle man is gone its going to have issues but at least its a partnership. Not like the Bullshit we have where industry says were partners in the food game. Oh Mr farmer pay again.
      Its time to take back our Farms and Gov and Industry aren't going to help us. Its up to us.
      Those that want to stay with the current system go ahead.
      But I just think were missing a bigger picture with Farming that maybe its time to Embrace.
      Maybe to much sun or just time to clear ones thoughts about what farming could be like.

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        #4
        I don't like to be a spoil sport but would not want o partner with off shore entities. I agree that it is best to remove the middle man if their control is too suffocating,and the method is to become the middle man, as you indicate. Surely western producers could become owner operators of crushing plants, packing plants, flour mills, ethanol plants. Much better to sell a processed product. There must be enough money for investment in these enterprises. Better to grow barley and sell the meat than hope commercials pay up for wheat.
        The problem is that Those with mouldy money aren't interested. But, start with a bunch that want to invest and issue an IPO. We could do it.
        Better if it's all Canadian.

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          #5
          Why?


          Why is trading with a Chinese national different than an American?

          We need to get over that stigma.


          Farmers suck at running businesses on a large scale at least historically They always end up broke or sold out... I've been studying some over the past few months...

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            #6
            For some, what we want is irrelevant.
            As long as you keep title to your land and your family is fed who cares?
            BTW, there are more than just Chinese looking at Canadian production partners. There's more yuan in Ft. Mac than you think, get with the program.

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              #7
              That's a fabulous idea Sask, I know some locals involved in flax, is/was a direct to end-user deal in Germany. End-user ponied up for processing equipment and packaging. Locals maintained land and production. The point I'm trying to make us end-user is often very willing to invest to secure product. The fallout from 08 caused some hiccups I'm not sure what the situation is currently. But amping this idea up to China scale is likely very feasible. There some terrible management going on over there in regards to storage of grain and efficiency. Likely leaving their system open to change.

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                #8
                More than willing to have yaun buy some shares, would not like to see them own controlling interest

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                  #9
                  By the way, who owns Petro Canada, the Canadian oil company?

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                    #10
                    I can't see why more grain isn't shipped in containers. Remember I was at the combine to customer course some years back and I questioned the CWB guys about using c cans for grain. He didn't have a clue.

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                      #11
                      Find some organic guys in your area, they've likely been doing this like this for the last 20 years. It can work.

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                        #12
                        Samhill- Suncor owns Petro Canada.

                        I believe they bought it out 4 years ago approximately.

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