Being a thief... is just fine with you... Seed; grain transport restrictions

[sumdumguy]

If there is supposed to be strength in numbers, why has UPOV moved forward? There are a heck of a lot more farmers than seed companies, chemical companies and seed growers. I think the reason is that this government knows you guys will vote for them anyway and you won't revolt. Just want to bawl and complain on AV.

[SASKFARMER3]

No Tom your funny! But why give a seed company rights to wheat from the day your son or daughter is born till the day they die! Kind of like doing F$&k all your life and getting a check for it!
I never brown bag but see this is just another nail on a canadian farmers coffin!
Canola is screwed and wheat para barley will be next!
Cot is right look at the flax shot show who payed but the farmers! You say yes that's true and sad!
Wow and it won't happen with wheat or oats or barley!
Those googles are getting steamed up me thinks!

It needed a ten year expiry to weed out shitty varieties that didn't work!
But this bull shit like canola has change number name etc and tell us canola dome information says it's better than what you grew!
God can't you see what's happening'

[TOM4CWB]

If you want to grow heritage grains... public grains... vast seed types and kinds are available which UPOV91 will in no way impede.

Non-PBR varieties sold as common seed without variety name are fine to sell... without fear of legal proceedings. New novel seeds are what this applies to. If you want to be a thief... do not be surprised if you are in trouble. The rule of law requires justice... without justice there cannot be liberty... or private property.

Case Closed.

[dmlfarmer]

Tom, the purpose of UPOV is to increase revenues so plant breeding is encouraged and funded. How is this different than equipment manufacturers deciding they need more money for fuel improvements that are mandated and since the second owner is also getting the benefit of better fuel economy, they should also have to pay for that new technology? Afterall, the fuel improvements are patented, just as genetic improvements in seeds are that are being protected under UPOV. It is not absurd, the equipment dealers simply haven't asked for it yet.

BTW Tom: so if I do not seed all the new seed I purchased one year, you are telling me that I can resell that seed without paying royalty the following year if I so choose since it is the seed I purchased? Talk about absurd!

[sumdumguy]

I suspect that some day soon, there will be a class action suit supporting property rights, and this argument will be moot.

[cottonpicken]

And when the elevators refuse to export anything but those varieties then what?

[freewheat]

Tom, a question:

If I grow an older variety, the problem is, the powers that be, often de-register the variety, and buyers will refuse to buy based on zero facts..

Varieties get de-registered all the time. They were once good enough, but for whatever "reason", become no good for end use.

Correct? That is only one singled out issue I see.

[TOM4CWB]

dm,

If your pedigreed seed... is in a bag and sealed with original container... not been broken open... still germs good... OF COURSE you can legally sell it to whom ever you like. NO PROBLEM.

Why would this be absurd??? All the proof of what it is clearly identifies its contents. It is in no way illegal to sell or resell one year old seed... if it meets the germination standard of the grade indicated on the bag.

Unless you signed a contract separately, agreeing not to sell that seed again... which would be a totally separate issue.

Cheers

[TOM4CWB]

Freewheat,

None of this is changed by UPOV91. PBR is here today. Only change is buying brown bag has legal implications where before selling was the trigger.

If you have good quality what ever... there are many buyers wanting your product... just ask the organic people... they thrive on old varieties and special arrangements. UPOV 91 does not restrict these opportunities.

All the best

[dmlfarmer]

But what about bulk seed? That 100 bushels that I did not seed for one reason or another. You saying no one will ask questions If I was to sell it to a neighbor next year because I did not want to grow it again.

[TOM4CWB]

dm,

If you are a registered establishment under the seeds act, properly reported the carry over and regermed it... then yes you can resell the bulk seed. It is done every day.

[sawfly]

you want another crime.
how about our govt. selling off research to private interests.
now instead of paying a dollar or 2 once in taxes to breed a resistance into our crops.
much better to pay a corporation 4$ a year til the end of time, and still never get own or get free access to it.
that is Conservative business logic at it's finest.

you just can not wrap your head around that logic can you?

the list goes on and on and it is not about free Enterprise or property rights
at all.
it is corporate interests controlling the govt. and writing laws
that actually destroy the things above.

[freewheat]

The trouble with things like this, is it is like the gun registry. How on earth can it be policed?

If John sells seed to Ted, who is going to know about it, and who is policing illegal sales?

[cottonpicken]

So who do I have to blow to become a seed grower.

Waiting to hear about cow breeding technology.

[dmlfarmer]

So my point Tom, it was your argument stating a farmer could dig up and sell the seed he planted which was absurd since you just told me that unless the farmer was registered under the seed act he could not resell pedigree seed that he purchased but did not plant.

And, yet other than calling me absurd for wondering if equipment manufacturers would now have a precedent for calling for a technology fee on patented improvements from second owners, you have not explained why this is different or absurd.