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    Being a thief... is just fine with you... Seed; grain transport restrictions

    SF3 et el;

    It was illegal before to brownbag and sell seed that were PBR protected.
    Under UPOV 91 that remains the same... but now your 'right to encourage the law being broken'... is somewhat diminished because the buyer can now be brought into the investigation of the illegal act.

    How is this wrong? Why do you feel justified in defending illegal actions?

    How is it any different... that a railway... not hauling freight from out of the way positions... or to destinations other that the normal and most convenient drop off point... to increase profit?

    Where is the moral obligation... to respect the property of those people... who it is close to impossible to defend themselves against aggressive overreach and collusive treatment of those who are having their property taken unfairly? (Farmers vs plant breeders)

    And how is this any different... than not charging costs (normal meaning) of a service to be provided under the law... but many times as much as that accountable cost was which caused the gov to change the an act of the parliament...on certain expenses being charged above real cost in 2007-08?
    This lowered our cost by $2.20/t and decreased our basis charge by that much.
    So domestic buyers now were forced to pay a higher price... even though it did not use the services directly of the monopoly. Double benefit to farmers.
    The problem with the CWB monopoly and buyback was directly responsible for stopping reasonable arbitrage... handing the transport service directly to another monopoly... and farmers could do exactly NOTHING to prevent the taking of their property in an immoral system that taxed farmers... who were claimed to have had a benefit instead by the gov... (Goodale) and the other monopolies who were the direct beneficiaries (Grain buyers and transporters)

    The under delivery of producer transport systems... is an obvious collusion... to drive grain to the normal export systems... at the direct cost of farmers in a lower end price at the farm gate...

    I hope I do not get confiscated more for bringing this up here.

    #2
    You don't get it tommy. They shouldn t own any right to the seed after they sell it in the first place.

    Conservatives hand in hand with big business against family farms.
    How's the post wheat board thing working tommy?
    Exactly the way the rest if us knew it would only as each say goes by I d rather have the customer getting a lower price under the wheat board than the fn grain cos ripping us all off. Shitty wheat board was better than this bullshit. There is no
    Rights what so ever left for farmers.

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      #3
      Got my triffid test bill in front of me,who should i forward that to?

      Negotiating to by the airspace over your farm Tom,i'll sell my air to you for a fair price.

      Just got a royalty payment for for my sperm bank donations,awesome-apparently some of my off spring want to reproduce,you know private property dna type stuff.

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        #4
        OK Riders,

        How is what you present... different from buying an I phone... copying it and having it manufactured at a cut rate with no quality control traceable if things go wrong... and then selling that knock off as an iPhone. You were only supposed to use the iPhone for calls and the functions... not copy it and sell it to others?

        So how is seed any different under the same law?

        What, please tell me... have I missed???

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          #5
          Why the **** didnt the "plant breeders" step up and pay that triffid screw up?

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            #6
            CP... I agree about the triffid problem... not fair... not right... but certainly not part of Upov91.

            Cheers

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              #7
              If the iPhone natuarLly shit out kids you have to pay?

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                #8
                Ok how about cows. Does a cattle guy own all the rights to his cross breads for seven or how many years?

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                  #9
                  CP
                  In the US there would be a multiple class action suit (and have been down there)...

                  Up here we barely have property rights... let alone Courts who provide a remedy to the common person for injustice brought about by mega institutions.

                  We have some work to do... to bring this big ship around... if we do not fight for justice... she can not defend herself... for we are she!

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                    #10
                    Well never to late to right a wrong,step up and pay the triffid testing bills over the past how many years,easy peezy,contact the testers.

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                      #11
                      Once this government approves UPOV, maybe they can help out other corporate friends like equipment manufacturers. Think of the profit potential for JD and CNH if a farmer had to pay a royalty to the manufacturer/dealer when he trades off or sells his used equipment to a third party.

                      And maybe Tom should have to pay a royalty on his old half ton when he sells it...after all, why should someone else get to use that transportation system and newer technology that is in it without compensating the manufacturer/dealer.

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                        #12
                        If you sell cows... as the parent breed... without papers... it is fraud for breeding purposes.

                        AB/SK/MB pulse growers have a farmer owned varieties which nothing changes under UPOV91

                        This is well argued... an international agreement to provide fair treatment.

                        Are we to stand up for injustice??? Is that your solution? Who will win that battle... the little guy or the monopoly?

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                          #13
                          dmlfarmer,

                          Well... if you could take the actual seeds planted back out of the ground... prove it were only those seeds actually being sold... no one would prosecute you... selling the same seeds at the same volume.

                          good luck with doing that.

                          Obviously your analogy with used equipment is absurd.

                          Cheers

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                            #14
                            no problem here with property rights
                            tom.
                            why are the original RR and libery variety's not freely , publicly available . the patents have expired.

                            the thieves here are the seed co.s
                            restricting access to off patent seeds.

                            they do not even have to come up with anything new , if they can charge forever for off patent technology.

                            that is the crime here.
                            this crime facilitated and sanctioned by your govt.

                            the public protects the property rights of innovation for 18 years. and in return the public gets free access after the patent expires.

                            are you still paying a royalty when you buy a microwave oven ?

                            ?

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                              #15
                              So the royalty rate on the new cows producing other cows is what?

                              I SEE a HUGE idea here,cow breeders should in fact have royalty rights on cows right?

                              How could you possibly argue the point?

                              I'm dieng to hear it.

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