ParsISIS

[rkaiser]

Now that you have settled down and got all of that religious speculation out of your system pars - how about some information beyond your jihadi stories.

[furrowtickler]

It would be interesting to see a rebuttal on the info given on this video.

[Hopperbin]

If the usa was funder and instigator of all wars they should technically be screwed. Reality is usa has tried to avoid. Only way usa is still powerful is they tried to avoid war. Only way to make sense of it. World today loves obama.

[rkaiser]

Screwed? Hmmmm. Tried to avoid war.... HMMMM... And Obama is loved in the world...LMAO Quite a reality you have created there Hopper.

[Integrity_Farmer]

I believe this video explains what has and is happening.

Here is an interesting twist Iran war planes regularly lands in Baghdad to fight ISIS.
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-eclipses-us-iraqs-ally-fight-against-militants-071942725.html
Of course you all remember that Iran was a threat to the US and now they are an ally. Republicans once wanted to nuke Iran. Remember senator John McCain singing Bomb bomb bomb, Bomb Iran

The US is not in the mid east for peace and democracy. If it was about democracy and human rights they would be attacking Saudi Arabia.
As the saying goes "Its all about the oil stupid"

[blackpowder]

Pretty much describes US foreign policy since at least 46. I don't know what it's gonna take for them to learn.

[parsley]

Don't have time to reply right now; am working on a project. Sorry rkaiser. Pars

[rkaiser]

As for that interesting twist with Iran Integrityguy, how about an opinion. If ISIS was West backed including Zionist Isreal - who they have mysteriously never attacked - would it not make sense for Iran to try to take them out as well.

Sources I find are saying that even America has become split over the middle east policy and the pentagon is starting to make some choices apart from Washington DC.

Makes more sense than anything else to me. And gives me hope that America will change foreign policy once and for all.

[Hopperbin]

Truth in media? Perhaps this is more correct.

As the Islamic militant group ISIS absorbs U.S. airstrikes in northern Iraq, scrutiny is increasing around the weaponry, including heavy armor, the jihadist militia has been able to amass during its 16-month offensive in Syria and Iraq. Questions remain over where the weapons came from, and most of all, how effectively ISIS can use the powerful weapons it has acquired.The armaments are predominantly a mix of veteran Soviet tanks; large, advanced U.S.-made systems; and black market arms.“Arms transfers like this are a hallmark of these kind of insurgencies,” said James Carafano, vice president for Foreign and Defense Policy Studies at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C. “They often look for weapons from different sources, places like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria and Eastern Europe.”"">The Islamic State (formerly known as ISIS) acquired tanks from the Syrian rebels, such as the T-72, a relatively modern Soviet design, and the  T-55, an obsolete model from World War II. The group also has captured Chinese copies of Soviet field and anti-aircraft guns from the Iraqi and Syrian armies. Both countries are known to have bought directly from China over a decade ago, according to Jane’s Army and Artillery Guide 2003 and 2004.  According to Brown Moses, a U.K.-based blog that has emerged during the Syrian civil war as the foremost authority on the weapons used in that conflict, ISIS has now obtained rocket launchers, grenade launchers and American-made M60 machine guns from Croatia through Saudi Arabia. After being sold to the Saudis, the weapons were, according to blog founder Eliot Higgins, flown to Turkey and then smuggled into Syria overland before being sold or given to ISIS.Higgins’ reconstruction of the flow of weapons into Syria is supported by a New York Times report from 2013 that examined air traffic data showing more than 160 flights by Jordanian, Saudi and Qatari cargo planes landing at Turkish airports. Those flights were loaded with arms destined for Syrian rebels, according to officials cited in the report. The report also showed data proving that Saudi military flights were going in and out of Croatia around the same time."">According to Carafano, this sort of arms movement between Eastern Europe, Gulf states and the Middle East is not unprecedented, and relies on a network of private arms merchants. There is no evidence that ISIS gets arms supplies directly from a supporting state, like Saudi Arabia or Qatar, according to Peter Wezeman, a senior researcher at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.“It’s often individuals that are working in the private sector of arms companies that are making these deals, so they are already in the business of logistics and moving stuff around,” Carafano said.It is far more significant, Carafano said, that ISIS has managed to infiltrate Iraqi bases in Mosul, gaining access to sophisticated U.S. weapons."">“They’ve apparently taken enough U.S. weapons from the Iraqi military in Mosul to put them in good shape for a long time,” Carafano said. “But the question is, how do they use those weapons, how do they maintain them, where do they get spare parts from?”According to various media reports, ISIS can’t really use many of the modern U.S. weapons that fell into its possessions, and knows it.“ISIS destroyed much of the heavy equipment it captured in Iraq:  M1 tanks, M113 armored personnel carriers, MRAP heavy armored trucks, and other multi-million dollar pieces of equipment,” said a Public Radio International report in June, as ISIS advanced to the point of capturing Mosul, the second-biggest city in Iraq. ISIS commanders knew they couldn’t use the more advanced pieces of U.S. equipment and destroyed them so the Iraqi army couldn’t use them in the future, according to that report.The U.S. Department of Defense did not respond to questions from the International Business Times about exactly what weapons were stolen from the Iraqi bases, but footage of ISIS fighters drivingU.S.-made Humvees and operating M198 howitzers and Stinger portable surface-to-air missiles showsthat ISIS has some U.S.-made equipment that it can transport and use easily. That will enable them to remain a nimble and flexible force -- an important distinction from a government-run military that can use and maintain heavier weapons, Carafano said.ISIS appears to have learned from many of the mistakes made by terrorists in the last 20 years, Carafano said, and has used that to train its 10,000-strong militia. “You name it, finances, social networking, arms trafficking, recruiting, making fear, even genocide,” Carafano said. “They are reading the terrorist playbook and smart military strategy is certainly part of that.”

[cottonpicken]

Iran,syria,kurds and russia are all fighting isis and people think we are fighting isis?

[Hopperbin]

Truth in media? Perhaps this is more correct.

As the Islamic militant group ISIS absorbs U.S. airstrikes in northern Iraq, scrutiny is increasing around the weaponry, including heavy armor, the jihadist militia has been able to amass during its 16-month offensive in Syria and Iraq. Questions remain over where the weapons came from, and most of all, how effectively ISIS can use the powerful weapons it has acquired.The armaments are predominantly a mix of veteran Soviet tanks; large, advanced U.S.-made systems; and black market arms.“Arms transfers like this are a hallmark of these kind of insurgencies,” said James Carafano, vice president for Foreign and Defense Policy Studies at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C. “They often look for weapons from different sources, places like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria and Eastern Europe.”"">The Islamic State (formerly known as ISIS) acquired tanks from the Syrian rebels, such as the T-72, a relatively modern Soviet design, and the  T-55, an obsolete model from World War II. The group also has captured Chinese copies of Soviet field and anti-aircraft guns from the Iraqi and Syrian armies. Both countries are known to have bought directly from China over a decade ago, according to Jane’s Army and Artillery Guide 2003 and 2004.  According to Brown Moses, a U.K.-based blog that has emerged during the Syrian civil war as the foremost authority on the weapons used in that conflict, ISIS has now obtained rocket launchers, grenade launchers and American-made M60 machine guns from Croatia through Saudi Arabia. After being sold to the Saudis, the weapons were, according to blog founder Eliot Higgins, flown to Turkey and then smuggled into Syria overland before being sold or given to ISIS.Higgins’ reconstruction of the flow of weapons into Syria is supported by a New York Times report from 2013 that examined air traffic data showing more than 160 flights by Jordanian, Saudi and Qatari cargo planes landing at Turkish airports. Those flights were loaded with arms destined for Syrian rebels, according to officials cited in the report. The report also showed data proving that Saudi military flights were going in and out of Croatia around the same time."">According to Carafano, this sort of arms movement between Eastern Europe, Gulf states and the Middle East is not unprecedented, and relies on a network of private arms merchants. There is no evidence that ISIS gets arms supplies directly from a supporting state, like Saudi Arabia or Qatar, according to Peter Wezeman, a senior researcher at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.“It’s often individuals that are working in the private sector of arms companies that are making these deals, so they are already in the business of logistics and moving stuff around,” Carafano said.It is far more significant, Carafano said, that ISIS has managed to infiltrate Iraqi bases in Mosul, gaining access to sophisticated U.S. weapons."">“They’ve apparently taken enough U.S. weapons from the Iraqi military in Mosul to put them in good shape for a long time,” Carafano said. “But the question is, how do they use those weapons, how do they maintain them, where do they get spare parts from?”According to various media reports, ISIS can’t really use many of the modern U.S. weapons that fell into its possessions, and knows it.“ISIS destroyed much of the heavy equipment it captured in Iraq:  M1 tanks, M113 armored personnel carriers, MRAP heavy armored trucks, and other multi-million dollar pieces of equipment,” said a Public Radio International report in June, as ISIS advanced to the point of capturing Mosul, the second-biggest city in Iraq. ISIS commanders knew they couldn’t use the more advanced pieces of U.S. equipment and destroyed them so the Iraqi army couldn’t use them in the future, according to that report.The U.S. Department of Defense did not respond to questions from the International Business Times about exactly what weapons were stolen from the Iraqi bases, but footage of ISIS fighters drivingU.S.-made Humvees and operating M198 howitzers and Stinger portable surface-to-air missiles showsthat ISIS has some U.S.-made equipment that it can transport and use easily. That will enable them to remain a nimble and flexible force -- an important distinction from a government-run military that can use and maintain heavier weapons, Carafano said.ISIS appears to have learned from many of the mistakes made by terrorists in the last 20 years, Carafano said, and has used that to train its 10,000-strong militia. “You name it, finances, social networking, arms trafficking, recruiting, making fear, even genocide,” Carafano said. “They are reading the terrorist playbook and smart military strategy is certainly part of that.”

[Hopperbin]

Last Thursday, the United Nations released a report that could provide us with one of the keys to defeating ISIS. Unfortunately, it received almost zero media attention.What makes this 26-page report (PDF) so powerful is that it describes to us the gruesome circumstances in which ISIS has killed fellow Muslims. We are talking beheadings, killing of women for objecting to ISIS’ policies, and executing Sunni Muslim clerics for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS."">Why is this important? This information can hopefully help dissuade other Muslims from joining or financially supporting ISIS. And it may even persuade other Muslim countries to join or increase their efforts in fighting ISIS. The reason being that slaughtering fellow Muslims is seen as universally wrong across the Muslim world and as a violation of Islamic values. In fact, Al Qaeda has even publicly criticized ISIS for this very conduct.Now the report also details ISIS’ horrific actions against Christians, Yazidis, and other minorities. But these events—along with the grisly beheadings of American journalists and Western aid workers- have been covered extensively by our media."">The killing of Muslims has not, and part of the reason may be because we lacked facts surrounding those events. After all, ISIS releases videos of its gruesome actions that it wants the world media to discuss but doesn’t publicize events it understands can hurt its cause.This report changes that. It provides us with evidence we were missing about the specifics of ISIS’ actions towards Muslims. This investigation, undertaken by UN’s Human Rights Office together with the UN’s Assistance Mission for Iraq, conducted more than 500 interviews with witnesses and visited locations across Iraq to examine how many civilians were killed in Iraq between July and September of this year.What did the UN find? ISIS had “carried out attacks deliberately and systematically targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure, with the intention of killing and wounding civilians.” The UN concluded that in the first eight months of 2014, at least 9,347 civilians had been killed and at least 17,386 wounded. While all these deaths are not attributable to ISIS alone, ISIS is identified as the primary actor. (The report also documents what could be considered war crimes committed by the Iraqi military.)Here are a few examples from the report to give you an idea of the way ISIS has methodically slaughtered Muslims:-On September 5, ISIS executed three Sunni women in Mosul. What was their “crime”? They refused to provide medical care to ISIS fighters.- On September 9, ISIS executed a Sunni Imam in western Mosul for refusing to swear loyalty to ISIS.- On August 2, a man from the Salah ad Din province was abducted and beheaded for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.-On August 19, a female Muslim doctor south of Mosul was killed for organizing a protest to object to ISIS’ mandate that female doctors cover their faces with religious veils when treating patients-On August 31, 19 Sunni Muslim men were executed in Saadiya for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.-On July 22, a Sunni Imam in Eastern Baquba was killed for simply denouncing ISIS.-On September 9, ISIS executed two Muslim women by shooting them in the back of the head. Their exact “crime” was not known.And the list goes on from ISIS slaughtering 1,500 Iraqi soldiers in June to blowing up numerous Sunni mosques because apparently the leaders of those mosques refused to swear loyalty to ISIS.Here’s the thing: The leaders of ISIS are very aware that the killing of fellow Muslims—especially Sunnis- could hurt their cause in attracting support from the Sunni Muslim world. In fact, ISIS is so concerned about the possible backlash that the group’s leaders addressed this subject (PDF) in the latest issue of its online magazine.

[Hopperbin]

Cotton your comment is simple and correct ij my opinion. Those countries never got out of the raping and pillaging era yet. Rkaiser how many hundreds of thousands of people need to get ****d and or killed before someone steps in and does something. Do you stand silent and let them take over? Do a meditation exercise?

[Hopperbin]

Send a million jws over there unarmed and do some preaching. Rkaiser we will have exactly one million beheadings. I dont know the answer. Just that we should not be spending all the money to fight them possibly. No one should be buying their oil.

[rkaiser]

Sending love to you Hopper and excited that you are digging in and doing your homework. The deeper you go down the rabbit hole, the closer you will get tot the truth.

I am not claiming to know everything, but there is a lot of common sense info in both your articles and the video at the top of the post.

I would like you to do a little research on why ISIS has yet to do any harm to Zionist Isreal. Just remember to keep the religion and the Jews out of it as pars has that one covered on her thread very well...LOL

If there was a way to positively identify the 10,000 fighters claimed in your article, I would not disagree with throwing them to the wolves. Randomly bombing them and killing innocent civilians that they hide behind will only create more followers from around the world.

Keep following the money Hopper, I am impressed with your diligence. And tell me one instance where an eye for an eye has brought peace to man kind.