Jackson vs CN/CP

[cottonpicken]

Maybe we should have check off dollars goto a team of lawyers to fight for us(yes i puked in my mouth a little)but it's the way the system works.

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket,

Many very talented, very experienced people did work on the review. Pulse Canada for one... is a great provider of input and experience. Gord Bacon is a terrific leader who knows what is going on... from his experience at the CWB... forward to today. No one knows better than Gord does.

We need a world class transportation system. How do we get that system? We obviously DO have the infrastructure.

Now... leadership is needed to break up Hunters CN/CP coalition... and provide the needed services to grain growers in western Canada!

[TOM4CWB]

CottonPicken,

I am fearful we have no property rights... so it is really doubtful if lawyering up would be helpful?

Can we go after Hunter for collusion and anticompetitive management? Perhaps there is some basis for review here... but how could we prove this? Are the laws strong enough to provide relief?

All good thoughts to wrangle with, thanks for your input!

[cottonpicken]

A few years ago on here i suggested we use that chunk of money we got,was it from the railroads?memory is hitting a blank and it went to some organization cant remember never heard what happened to it,anyways ya lawyers may have just bled it dry but maybe not pretty sure the only way to fix things like this is through the courts unless you want to play railway trac vs four wheel drive tractor,lol i kid i kid.

What scares me is we may not have a leg to stand on lots of industries ship stuff on rail i dont see how they will give us special treatment pay up or shut up,i dont like that fact anymore then everyone else

[TOM4CWB]

CottonPicken,

I just got off the phone with Gord Bacon CEO of Pulse Canada.

Europe has a very interesting model we should be following. Go into a train station... and there are railway companies from all over Europe....

JUST LIKE AN AIRPORT.

Rail Roadbeds are works for the general advantage of Canada... regulated by the CTA.

What if we were to move our system forward... to a European class type of operations... Multiple Rail Co's... Just like the CP 175car potash train headed north to CN rails... or better yet the directional tracks in the Frazer River Canyon... where CN trains are on CP tracks... and the reverse CP trains on CN track going in the other direction.

We easily have the technology... and the capability... to safely run trains anywhere on any rail roadbed.

It is a question therefore... of whether or not... CN and CP are providing reliable and adequate service.

Many shippers would argue... the CN/CP alliance are holding shippers 'ransom'... to milk our resources to the very core.

The Naber grain case which went against the railway... is a recent example of failure to provide adequate service to the grain industry in western Canada. Some would argue... that the railroad was responsible for the Naber crew financial failure.

Interesting times!

Does anyone here have experience in rail systems... in Europe?

How about Australia?

[wmoebis]

Interesting for sure.
Did Gord say he was going to write a public letter on behalf of pulse growers to the RR and CTA? Maybe even MP's and PMO?

Those are the guys that should be writing glad you talked to him.

[TOM4CWB]

wm,

It sounded like the shippers coalition has submitted something to the review panel.

[cottonpicken]

Hunter Harrison on bnn just now full interview tommorrow he is pretty weird

[wmoebis]

Good, each prod group should make a public announcement on what they are doing on our behalf.

Would be nice to see communications from WGEA too!

I think public letters from these groups would do more than a hunger strike as noble as that is.

Public media seems to be the only way to get things done these days.

[agstar77]

Railways should never owned the railbeds indefinitely . This would take real leadership and guts. I doubt any of our politicians can put that bell on.The roadbeds are publically owned as should the railbeds. Then there might be competition.

[grassfarmer]

Been on a few British trains in my time. I know they haul freight but the majority of traffic is passenger. Looks to me like the reverse situation from western Canada where it's virtually all freight and no passengers.

[TOM4CWB]

Agstar77,

Have you written saying that the CNCP Alliance is disrupting service... and needs the CTA to be revised to allow competition?

Using the European model...and the Frazer Canyon example of functional multi-use of rail beds for years... having multiple users...

Do you think the ND's and Libs would vote against this? Other than disappointed RR lobby people... what is the political downside???

What are the Chances... Hunter is just trying to divert people away from the real issue... the unfettered collaboration... that allowed the railcar maint. fiasco, and now the manifest breakdown of services in western Canada... so Hunter can boast of record profits... when supposed unbearable weather consumed service last winter?

Who can't see though the maize directly to the centre of the issue...

CNCP are coordinating... together. The rail service provided is not acceptable.

Do you really think Minister Ritz... is happy about what has happened?

When we met last March... every shipper in the room... all were there in Calgary... were annoyed, frustrated, and of one accord that there is a problem with service provided by the CPCN Alliance.

Now Hunter has pushed the 'pay me of suffer' line... what is the actual political downside in acting when there is a lack of service problem again???

Hunter is bold. Hunter is motivated by profit. Hunter may think... the Conservatives are too slow to pick up his manipulation and act...

Isn't it a matter of political survival.. to resolve the rail bed issue multi-use needs of the Canadian economy??? CNCP Alliance... is now being shown to be possibly a bigger threat to our grain industry... than a certain other institution was!!!

The CWB NEVER was as mean and vicious... as the CPCN Alliance is now!

[Braveheart]

Will you dummies ever realize the "Crow" was going, going, gone anyway. By the way, it was the left and those Sask Wheat Pool assholes that made sure that the Crow Benefit was paid to the railways.

So, for all your railway hating talk, why o why did the left wing hand the subsidy to them (railways). In the end, it was the LEFT, the Pools, the NFU and all the rest of the Agri-Left that killed the benefit early. It would have been politically difficult to end a subsidy received by farmers, but a subsidy paid to railways? A much softer target.

[farmaholic]

You will be quoted on that last statement later.

Tom, why did you challenge the RRs on the grounds you did?

Didn't your "percentage" legal counsel advise you of "time is of the essence" on this matter?

[bucket]

Tom

So you were at a circle jerk and what has been done since?

What concrete solution came out of that meeting of the top minds?

seems to me nothing has been done since confederation except we tore out half the railroads.