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    Calculating wheat basis may require some homework

    Here is a Cargill guy explaining basis.

    Tyler Russell saw something he didn’t like when he looked out at the crowd of farmers he was talking to about wheat basis levels.

    “You could just tell there was confusion,” Russell, who is manager of Cargill Canada’s network of crop marketing advisers and farmer risk management, said about meetings he held with farmers last October and November to promote a new type of basis contract.

    “You could just see it in their eyes or you could tell by some of the questions that they were asking.”

    It wasn’t just farmers. Russell said some of the agriculture professionals who attended the meetings also didn’t have much of a clue about how to interpret wheat basis levels offered at country elevators.

    That’s a problem for a company like Cargill, which has a more active farmer-marketing program than any other grain company on the Prairies because farmers probably wouldn’t feel comfortable or secure using futures or basis based contracts if they couldn’t understand how to figure out good, bad and average basis levels on wheat.

    So for the next series of farmer marketing meetings the company held between December and February, it added a new, two-hour section: how to calculate wheat basis and build historical averages.

    Russell said he was pleased that farmers seemed keen to learn the relatively complicated formula.

    “They get canola basis,” said Russell. “They get what’s good and what’s bad.”

    However, the simplicity of canola basis levels, which are calculated on Canadian dollar-based futures contracts and few quality complications, can’t be reproduced in wheat.

    The foreign exchange rate poses a complicated challenge for wheat because most companies post U.S.-denominated futures and then subtract a Canadian-denominated basis.

    Russell said he taught farmers how to convert elevator final prices to a U.S. dollar value, subtract applicable U.S. wheat futures and come up with a U.S. dollar-denominated basis level.

    World wheat prices and wheat futures prices are based on the U.S. dollar, which means Russell’s calculation is the most reasonable way to come up with values that mean something without the confounding influence of currency exchange rates, which have been volatile in recent years.

    He said the all-US currency calculation, when applied to Cargill’s wheat buying in Western Canada for the past three seasons, shows that 90 percent of the crop has been bought at a basis of US -$0.85 per bushel to 
-$1.50 per bu., based on a Saskatoon-area point, a range of $0.65.

    However, the basis would have shown a wild range of $0.40 to $0.50 per bu. to more than -$2 if it had used a mixed U.S. and Canadian currency conversion, a total range of about $3 per bu.

    Russell said Cargill dropped its basis low in the midst of the rail crisis of 2013-14 to discourage deliveries because it couldn’t move the grain. However, it chose not to go “no-bid” because some farmers said they might need to move grain regardless and wanted to have a price to consider.

    He said farmers understood a lot more about wheat basis calculating after the meetings, which he hopes makes them feel more confident signing wheat contracts that involve futures or basis components.

    If they don’t understand what’s going on with basis, they aren’t likely to use the products, he added.

    Clear as Mud! Right!

    Enjoy!

    #2
    Bet he would be more clear while being beat with a garden hose full of sand.

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      #3
      Now that was funny!

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        #4
        A grain company teaching/justifying the basis calculation to it's customers. Anyone been to any of these sessions? Did it answer more questions than it created. Was everyone satisfied with the explanation?


        Why do they want you to use basis or futures first contracts? Lock you in to supply them? Transfer of risk? Any mention of spot pricing?

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          #5
          John's working on an explanation.....

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            #6
            What is worse is that depape is currently teaching MPs the cargill way of basis calculation.

            MPs can't understand there is no movement creating a wide basis, how the **** are they going to understand this.

            If you follow cargill's way farmers will end up writing a cheque prior to signing a contract.

            Machinery basis is simple. Tractors are based in usd and you add the conversion to cdn dollars to the price. Plus the cost to get it here. So a 79000 dollar tractor in the states costs 100000 dollars canadian. Pretty ****ing simple.

            And guys like depape are making a 750000 government subsidy to make it complicated. But he was probably smart enough to get paid in usd. lol.

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              #7
              Now that's your typical "expert" from a grain company.
              Automatically assume all farmers are stupid to begin with and they know EVERYTHING because after all they're the experts, right?
              I guess to be fair most farmers are "confused" with the outright theft grain companies are gouging farmers with on their basis levels.
              Perhaps if we all had a Frickin "meeting" at a local Boston pizza we too could see how they can justify it. Grrrrrrr

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                #8
                Now that's your typical "expert" from a grain company.
                Automatically assume all farmers are stupid to begin with and they know EVERYTHING because after all they're the experts, right?
                I guess to be fair most farmers are "confused" with the outright theft grain companies are gouging farmers with on their basis levels.
                Perhaps if we all had a Frickin "meeting" at a local Boston pizza we too could see how they can justify it. Grrrrrrr

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                  #9
                  We're not stupid or we would be working somewhere else (maybe a grain co). But I want to know how each company we deal with is calculating fx in their wheat pricing. Some use US futures adjusted for fx but have a completely CA basis, while others do their fx calculation in the basis.

                  So, with one company you could lock in basis if you want to take advantage of high fx rates, while with another doing futures first might make more sense.

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                    #10
                    I think the Cargill rep quoted was trying to do a good service for farmers. Aren't we all looking for clarity and to learn?

                    Wheat is a lot more complicated than canola not just because of fx, but throw in different classes, grades,and protein and it gets crazy.

                    Here's an idea for a retiring Charlie. Create an app to sort it all out with a tap on our phone.

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                      #11
                      Brave Good comments.
                      It is a lot tougher to figure out than canola.
                      But I am here from grain company to help you is a lot like it use to be. I'm here from the Govt to help you.
                      Check the profits these guys made last year between them its in the billions.
                      Simple math wheat shipped western Canada. Selling point av at coast for year. minus selling point av for year in western Canada.
                      Bingo profits made off basis in 2014 sky rocket.
                      If I owned a company would you want anything to change.
                      Charlie look into the math on that please and come back with a number. I bet its darn close to the total the companies made.
                      Follow the money. Always.

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                        #12
                        I don't mean to single one individual out. Most of them are sincere about trying to help farmers for sure.
                        But at the end of the day no one can predict what's going to happen in the future. So it gets a bit old after awhile all when some of these experts just carry on acting like they've never made a mistake or been wrong about things in the past. And keep acting and giving presentations like it's just a matter of fact that what they say is a fact.

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