Single Pass Systems are on the way out

[Klause]

Been preaching this for years. Now it's a mainstream idea. Start floating melting urea and dribble banding.


Ok. I'm done shit disturbing for today LOL

[SASKFARMER3]

One op I know who seeds over 30000 acres floated last fall. See 86 ft drills are heavy enough in mud even with the mud kit.
It's coming full circle back.

[seabass]

Never say never. Couple dry years and you'll look back and have to admit you were wrong. Roll with what mother nature gives u.

[WiltonRanch]

I suppose we will go back to sweeps and box drills too. Not likely. I like the idea of split applied fert but know for myself one pass is working due to time savings. As well it seems by the time I'm done seeding that window to broadcast fertilizer is not there.

[furrowtickler]

With the cost of newer single pass seeding systems now pushing $8,000 to $10,000 / ft and the power need to pull them approaching $1000 / hp it has become totally uneconomical regardless of the size of unit. Also the logistics at seeding to supply all the product at once has become a nightmare for some.

[WiltonRanch]

True. One time 200lbs of fertilizer was a big rate. Even 1.5 bushels of wheat was standard. Now the logistics for the larger outfits must be daunting. I worry when it's dry though. But I suppose liquid fert dribbled before seeding would be okay.

[seabass]

I won't argue with those numbers furrow but u know what it can be like trying to seed into land that can get dried out. Minimum til seems to work best around here depending on moisture conditions. I sure as hell wouldn't go back to the way we use to do things. Only by necessity of course. When shes real wet plow away. Always seems to be a game time decision.

[wakopa]

last year had a wet quarter and forecast was rain for 4 days so i used a fert spreader to spred the fert and then the wheat same way.that field was my highest yielder and it didnt rain .like seebass says roll with mother nature.

[wakopa]

forgot to say i also used heavy harrows to seed it perfect.

[freewheat]

Bottom line is we are all going to use a certain way to do things, that we are successful at.

This is not Europe, or the corn belt. I can see how logistics for bigger farms can limit them. I personally do not panic when I must stop to fill every couple or three hours. I think of it as a great leg stretcher, and opportunity to dig and roll in the soil, and just to feel the spring wind on my face, rather than be cooped up in the tractor forever.

Lots of different ideas out there for sure.

[food4u]

Nothing better than the smell of freshly worked earth..

[furrowtickler]

Broadcasting works well to improve seeding efficiency but you have no idea of growing conditions in the growing season, or if flooding/drought may occur. Fall broadcasting does reduce the need for expensive storage and still allow cheaper fert to be bought earlier if it's a pay now take now situation.

Top dressing/dribble banding in crop works very well if timing and weather allow it.
We have done both over the years with dry and liquid with mixed results depending on weather.

Wilton, what if you could get more productivity out of your current seeding outfit and foliar feed without any extra passes?
Say put on 50 to 75% of your current fert at seeding then apply the rest at herbicide and fungicide time when you are spraying anyway?

Seabass - in dry years, one will most likely not need fungicides or additional fert or be able to adjust the amount of fert with weather/growing conditions. Still utilize single pass seeding outfits but at less risk than applying all the fert before the crop is growing.
Just food for thought..

[bucket]

Why is everyone trying to grow more to not be able to move it and getting less for it.

Grow more make less. Yup sounds great.

Railways motto: move less make more and hold the country ransom to boot.

My motto: Quit feeding the parasites.

[binthere]

she will be tough to put the pride on the shelf and beat this addiction.

[mustardman]

Checkout research done in Montana on broadcasting and there is always a loss when fertilizing this way.20 % or more

Putting it in the ground is best