New Macdonald Farm

[tweety]

Grassfarmer, don't drink coffee lol!

But, lets use something else. Do i buy an iphone of an android? Depends on the marketing, and if there wasn't any, wouldn't even want one. but, i wanna be like all the other drones at stare at my phone 23 hours a day.

Kaiser, labeling is not required of safe food. Label the 2% of the organic if you want to segregate as a marketing ploy.

Its all marketing ploys to sell. I can't understand why the organic industry hasn't been sued for false advertising.

[wmoebis]

Love the A&W ad! Without hormones,steroids and WHAT NOTS!

What the hell are what nots?

[grassfarmer]

tweety, that was an avoidance post. Lets get real, stick to a food product as that is what we are talking about - do you eat brown bread or white. Did someone have to tell you which to pick?

You stated that "consumers don't know what they want they have to be told what they want."

Does that apply to you because it certainly doesn't to me? Quit treating consumers (our customers) like fools.

[sumdumguy]

I am going from memory, ten years or so ago, in one of my agriculture classes I was horrified to read the minimum cage size for chickens- something like 1.4 square feet per bird. This is about 14.2 inches by 14.2 inches. These are chicken cages stacked on top of each other. I also have been told by a very reliable source about the way live laying hens are disposed of. I can't even repeat what was witnessed. There is a limit to what is ethical, and evidently man knows no limit.

[blackpowder]

Screw it. Let them have their share of the planet for as long as they can hang onto it. The same could be said about us mainstream. We spend so small of a percentage of our income on food here it doesnt matter.
Maybe there will be a 'family' farm for anyone who wants to do it. Live the dream. Come to think of it Im jealous.
How long will that last before the Asians and East Asians and Africans own it and do whatever is necessary.
Maybe by then theyll be rich enough their population growth will be negative too and we can all eat whatever we want. Many years down the road.
Im tired and i wonder if it will matter in the end.

[LEP]

If gmo labelling comes in then so should labelling for organic vegetables that say, fertilized with animal feces.

[tweety]

Of course it applies to you grassfarmer. Every last one of us is easily and completely influenced by marketing.

and if someone who says they aren't is affected most of all. Plenty of science to back that up.

I eat both kinds of bread. Now if one was GMO and one wasn't, it wouldn't matter. Both are food safe.

Grassy, you are one of those greatly influenced by this type of marketing. You feel what you do is somehow 'safer' 'better' 'sustainable' while the rest of us are not. You've been suckered into the religion of organics while purposely ignoring science. The modern highly selective troglodyte.

You have the words sucker deeply tattooed on your forehead.

And like a religion, you'll take it to the grave.

All the food certified is safe in a grocery store - organic or not, that's why we have people educated to determine that. Are they perfect? No. But i'd rather have someone who studied the subject for 12 years with a phd tell me its not safe or safe then a cowboy or a soccer mom who says it isn't that has been deeply influenced by slick advertising.

Yes, in case you missed it, you are the exact target audience of this movement and its working!

On subject?

[rkaiser]

Wow tweety other than one little comment, I will let Iain deal with your accusation. Incredible how far a person will go to defend the right to do what they believe is right. And I have to say, I respect your will to look after your family and your stuff, but to say that you use chemicals because you trust the science when that same science says that the reason for GMO's is to feed the starving? Holy doodle - talk about buying into bullshit.

As for labeling - organic is labeled buddy and that seems to be a problem with you as labeling generally takes advertising to back it up.

I think that the idea of labeling GMO etc. in exchange for truth about growing vegetables in shit is a good idea LEP.

However you want to go on about this - the bottom line is that people like to choose.

Chem farming came in the back door in my opinion and held back information from the public as it became main stream. Science or no science, information was suppressed. And the food that used to be mainstream - aka organic / natural now had to be labelled.

[tweety]

and you kaiser are another victim of slick ads and the power of pseudo science.

Anti vaxxers, same thing.

Juice cleanses, yet another. No science, just slick talkers.

The internet is a goldmine of opportunity. If you can make piles of money at it, why not.

PT Barnum said it best.....

[gustgd]

http://www.nurselovesfarmer.com/2014/11/food-activist/


"I am pro-food choice. I always have been. If you want to eat local grass-fed, free-range organic food—good for you, it’s great we have that choice. BUT, you don’t have to slander the choices I make to raise and buy conventional foods that are safe and affordable for my family. There are so many people in this world that do not have any food choices. It is truly a privileged problem to complain about the food we already have and to try to take safe food choices away from consumers."

Read more http://www.nurselovesfarmer.com/2014/11/food-activist/

[Hopperbin]

I dont totally dissagree with rkaiser. I think the film was staged and the child dance at the end was unapropriate. People should have choice. Although science has in fact failed us many times. Drink well water For nutrients. Drink cow milk It works. There is a lot of bad info also loke the corn growers that will never eat the corn they grow. Of course the the corn is for livestock. Not the same as what we eat.

[rkaiser]

tweety tweety tweety....

I am truly at a loss for words.

I hope you and your family are making money and live long healthy lives....

It is all about what you "believe" after all.