explain to dumb aussie farmer

[malleefarmer]

So I sell up move to the praries in some blue ribbon country become a neighbour to one of you.

I plant my wheat in april/may? And harvest in august/sept?

In the meantime a good price comes up in april so I take it 300 tonne lets say for delivery after harvest say October??? Presume wheat is stored on farm?

So whats meant to happen next? I said meant, I get notified by buyer or railcars that come nearby and I haul it and transfer onto railcars? So if train are late a month do you get paid carry charge? When does transfer of title take place and when do I get paid?

When does it get graded for protein presume its a multi grade contract or is it fixed grade?

All I do here know is sell when I want deliver were I want either on farm direct end user or export via elevator system or as of last week cart direct from to vessel Cargill latest schem seems there short and paying a premium. I get paid in 7 days in elevator system.

so do I stay here or move to Canada, one you've got beautiful scenery, 2 ive never really seem much snow, 3 ive never experienced sowing in mud hey it could be fun for the first time,4 your beers ok drank molosons last time and labbatts was on a par with our beer,5 there are no ugly women in Canada 6 you get to go on holidays for 3 months a year,7 your whiskey from memory was godsent.8 your parliament isn't controlled by looney fringe minorities.

down side no AFL football or cricket, might get abducted by hutterites to bring something new and unique to there gene pool, I might meet parsley when shes in a bad mood......You have to be politically correct in Canada and don't rock the boat.

Grappling should I stay or go

[freewheat]

Two words. Stay there.

Two more. Trade you.

[Hopperbin]

If you have more ships anchored offshore for grain then come here.

[farmaholic]

I'll sell you our place. 2500 acres in a block(nearly), a good base to build from. Average land, we made a decent living off it. But by what you've posted in the past, land is expensive here in comparison to there. Expensive to farm here as well.

[cottonpicken]

Stay there

Most the women are ugly,the scenery is shit and winter sucks so much you feel like putting a shotgun in your mouth. The only thing worth experiencing is a snowmobile you have know idea how fast and powerfull they are.

As for sports you would quickly come to love the roughrider football and hockey cult.

[ColevilleH2S]

What's supposed to happen? In the case of major grains like Wheat, Canola, Barley and such that go to the big elevators that are peppered around the Prairies:

A contract gets signed for a certain price, grade and delivery month. That month comes, the elevator phones to tell you to haul it in. Grade and dockage is determined at delivery, a sample is sealed for dispute resolution if there is disagreement. The grade spread is now applied, grade delivered vs. grade contracted. Depending on the elevator the spreads are set the day of delivery (This is an issue with me).

Payment can be received in as little as 10 minutes at most places. Malt barley is different, payment usually pends germination tests.

Delivery for smaller crops like Lentils, Canaryseed, Chickpeas, Mustard, etc, going to smaller processors is a slightly different procedure.

Gotta go, I can post more later

[SASKFARMER3]

I would stay put.

Contracts are done like you say and fair price or not bad. Once they know how much crop is going in basis widen and even if prices increase not much is captured.
Best time is march till June to get fall prices historically.
So you start seeding in May till mid may. April is if their is no snow.
Now you have basically 90 to 110 days between the last spring frost and a killer fall frost. Crops don't come back in Canada in Fall after a frost. They die.
You negotiate a grade on contract. Some companies do a 1 13.5 based of Min.
Some do a 2 13.5 based off min.
Then their is deductions that come off if crop doesn't make spec.
Now you have a decent summer no hail not to much rain and a not bad crop is on its way.
Ah grasshopper that's when the fun begins.
If Your lucky you have three good weeks in September.
Now your saying why not harvest all night. Makes a lot of sense. But we have Dew. It rolls in around after dark. Oh year days are starting to get shorter and colder longer nights. Start time in morning varies depending on dew again and wind. Some days your going at 8 some its 11 and a shitty one its 1.
Now the rep comes out takes all the probed grain samples you collected. Example in a 12000 bushel bag or bin every hopper of the semi is probed with 4 scoops as its dumped. I would say a good sample.
Rep looks at it its a Good 2 Fuz doesn't look bad. A week later as your harvesting other crops they come back and say we can work with it its a two and protein is average 13. Oh so a bit of discount because of protein. No they say their is no protein premium this year.
So they call the bag that's stamped good two you haul they look and look and look and then bring out the microscope and check some more. Ah its a shitty three. Oh well lets recheck all bags. When you ask why its because the standards for all Canada seem to have changed we cant blend so take it or leave it.
You deliver now your getting a discount on your good price but your have delivery periods picked out all winter and contracts booked.
First gets in October not bad. Second month is into December due to a little shortage but were only behind a week. Then your December is canceled due to xmas and not sure. Now in Jan your on Dec contract and start hauling long lines since every one now sees what's going on. Ah train canceled cars for week oh well its only a week. Ah now Feb. your delivering on Dec contracts.
Ask about compensation. HA HA HA HA the company goes read the contract we have 90 days after said month to take product. AH what if I go else where. Ah read contract you owe us a #2 13.5 at todays price so basically You wait.
That Mallee is the Canadian system.
Then when the railway is pushed they know a train from Calgary or Edmonton west can get to coast and back before say a train from Indian Head or Yorkton on East side. Its called juggle to make things right one group gets no deliveries the other gets cars and more cars.
So I will trade you farms. No Ill sell out get my Australian citizen ship and come work for you guys.
Nicer climate. And a sled can be replaced with a jet ski if I want some adventure.
Cheers like tom says.

[dmlfarmer]

mallee: The biggest problem we have in Canada re selling our grain is there is less that 20% commercial capacity. And since all farmers want to move grain as early as possible, in fact less than 20% of an average crop (less carryover in commercial storage) can be delivered into the system at harvest. (In fact more likely less than 10%) Before more deliveries can be made off farm, companies, rail, port terminals, and shipping must all work together to sell grain that is in the system. But there may not be demand for what is in the system. The system may be plugged with deliveries by farmers of grain contracted in the spring months earlier that is not the quality or grade and for which there is no demandfor. Suddenly everything is shut down. By the time the system clears, we are behind in contracts and same thing can happen all over again. While it sounds efficient to have just in time deliveries which is how the Canadian system is designed, it simply does not work without coordination of deliveries to ensure the right grain is moving off the farms at the right time. Farmers simply cannot deliver when they want to here given the constraints of lack of commercial storage, inadequate transportation, lack of information as to what grain is needed, in-store, and prices and mostly lack of oversight.
Because of the failure of system we are rapidly becoming a residual seller in world markets and things will get worse before they improve.

Unfortunately government here and most farmers do not understand or recognize the limitations in our system. It is a me first attitude in system that can only function as an entire coordinated unit. And the me first lose!

[bucket]

Mallee

Hold on, before you consider farmaholic offer.

I have a nice farm nice 800 acre blocks.
Max 10 minutes apart. Won't say the acreage but you can make a living.

20 minutes to lake diefenbaker. 600 miles of shoreline with great fishing year round. 2 golf courses within 30 minutes 4 within an hour.

Mule deer white tail and moose.

Prairie chicken and partridge. Canada geese and ducks.

2 hours max drive and you are in regina or saskatoon.

1 hour drive to hit a grain delivery point.

interested yet.

And I would stay on just to get you familiarized with the place. Or maybe not you decide.

[Hopalong]

A decade or so ago, there was interest both here and in US about farming in Brazil. Believe some even tried moving back and forth to grow crops in both areas. Do not here much about it anymore.
Low land prices in Saskatchewan and Manitoba parkland area attracted farmers from UK and South Africa. Most have done well.
Do not know of any moving to or from Australia.

[SASKFARMER3]

One note My dads dream was to farm in Australia and Canada. Maybe part of it would be fun!

[wmoebis]

Bucket: Sounds like you advertising my place.

[bucket]

Wmoebis

Where are you?

[wmoebis]

20 minutes to lake diefenbaker. 600 miles of shoreline with great fishing year round. 2 golf courses within 30 minutes 4 within an hour.

Mule deer white tail and moose.

Prairie chicken and partridge. Canada geese and ducks.

2 hours max drive and you are in regina or saskatoon.

1 hour drive to hit a grain delivery point.

LOL My farm is at Beechy.

[bucket]

No kidding. Too bad they shitcanned the ice road already.

Hey. Now there is another selling point mallee. There is usually a 1 mile ice road across a lake 150 feet deep.

A ferry in the summertime. As a neighbor said it is the smoothest part of the highway.