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    Plant Breeders’ Rights and Farmers Know the New Rules!

    Ok I understand the new rules, Here they are, basically watch your asses because if you buy seed from other than a seed grower both of you could be hooped. Oh and Don't forget to save your lovely blue tags for years and years.

    First of all, it has never been legal to sell farm saved seed of varieties protected by Plant Breeders’ Rights (and any other intellectual property protection tools). If you have been “brown bagging seed” (selling illegally acquired seed or farm saved seed of PBR protected varieties as common seed), you have always been in breach of Plant Breeders’ Rights. You are essentially selling stolen property that is the result of massive investments of time, expertise and money. You are denying the breeders that made those investments the returns they need to invest in delivering newer varieties to you and to farmers all across the country.

    Because the breeders’ rights are expanded in PBR 91, it is now also an infringement to buy farm saved (brown bagged) seed. So not only is the seller of brown bagged seed liable for damages they are causing to plant breeders, but buyers are also liable.
    Here are some things you can do to make sure you are not breaking the law:
    •Know the varieties that you are buying. The easiest way to know that is to purchase certified seed. The Canadian Seeds Act prohibits the use of a variety name on invoices, tags, advertisements etc. unless the seed is certified. Look for the blue certified seed tag. Keep the tag and invoices/bills of sale in your records. This is your proof that you acquired the seed with the authority of the breeder.
    •If you decide to save the grain you produce from that seed to plant in subsequent years (farm saved seed), you can clean it, store it and plant it on your farm. However, you may be asked to prove that the seed was acquired legally. The blue tag from the initial purchase is your easiest proof.

    Some scenarios you can consider:
    •Farmer A purchases certified seed and saves, stores and conditions some of the harvested material to use as seed on the farm in subsequent years.

     This is completely allowed by PBR 91. Remember to keep proof that the seed used to produce the grain was acquired with the authority of the breeder.
    •Farmer A purchases certified seed and saves and stores some of the harvested material to use as seed on the farm next year, but gives some of it to Farmer B to use as seed in exchange for other products or services.


     This is a breach of both PBR 78 and PBR 91. Both Farmer A and Farmer B would be in breach.

    •Farmer A purchases certified seed of a PBR protected variety and saves/stores some of the harvested material to use as seed on the farm in subsequent years. The farmer takes the farm saved seed to a commercial cleaner, but doesn’t take it all back to use on the farm, leaving some with the cleaner in exchange for services.


     Just like if the seed is traded to a neighbour, leaving farm saved seed with the cleaner in exchange for services is considered a sale and puts the farmer in breach of PBR 78 and PBR 91.

    In this situation, the cleaner would be in breach of PBR 91. If the cleaner sells that seed, the cleaner is in breach of both PBR 78 and PBR 91.

    •Farmer B acquires farm saved seed of a PBR protected variety from Farmer A and takes it to cleaner/conditioner to get it ready to use as seed in subsequent years.


     Farmer B and Farmer A and the seed cleaner are all in breach of PBR 91, and all are liable for damages if the breeder proves the breach.

    •Farmer B acquires farm saved seed of a PBR protected variety from Farmer A and sells the grain produced from that seed.


     Farmer B and Farmer A and the grain buyer are all in breach of PBR 91, and all are liable for damages if the breeder proves the breach.

    •Farmer A buys grain produced from seed of a protected variety from a grain buyer (elevator company, feed mill, feed lot etc.) and uses it as seed on his/her farm.


     Farmer A and the grain buyer are both in breach of PBR 91 and are both liable for damages if the breeder proves the breach.

    Additionally, if Farmer A sells that seed, both Farmer A and the purchaser are in breach of both PBR 91 and PBR 78. The grain buyer is likely in breach of PBR 91.

    What still worries me and no one can answer this question.
    What happens when the grain companies get together with the seed companies and say MR farmer yes you can save your seed no problem but not with this new super #2479 variety that we created. See we will only buy it from you if you buy certified seed every single year. No were not purchasing other varieties as market doesn't want them. Sorry that nice hard red spring you have is feed. Ah we will buy it for feed though no problem. Our new variety is 2 dollars bushel better return than your feed.

    But that's the rules of 2015 learn and watch for Inspector Gadget at a drive way near you.

    #2
    Can you answer this question.

    Let's say you buy blue tagged seed.

    And then find out the breeder or inventor of the seed has misrepresented it and it is not allowed in markets. The market goes for shit.

    Who pays in this new environment?

    Or do we lawyer up. That's a winning proposal (hey Tom)?

    Here are three examples.

    1. Triffid flax.

    2. Syngenta MIR 162 corn

    3. Recently Syngenta duracade corn.

    I know who pays but who should pay?

    And all costs associated with testing and contamination? R&D might be expensive but ****ing up or contaminating land for years can't be cheap either?

    Let's discuss this.

    Seems odd there is no responsibility on the seed provider side to pay if it's their fault?

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      #3
      Me thinks this time round you phone 1800 Tony and let it ride.
      But then the breeder declares bankruptcy and your out the whole bunch of cash and markets.
      Funny some of the Shit I just took home, my stuff in the bin is better quality seed higher spec all around. Makes you go HMMMMMMMMMMMM.

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        #4
        Simple answer SF3, a customer demanding you grow certified seed isn't part of the seeds act. Its part of marketing.

        Decide not to do it if it doesn't make financial sense.

        But if they have the rights to the seed, they can. Always could.

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          #5
          I am watching Metcalfe barley. Right now the termination date for Grant of Rights is July 2015.
          Metcalfe is still top variety for malting.

          Probably not a big deal anyway as many malt contracts specify certified seed.

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            #6
            Tweety my question is what if the grain and seed companies get together and do what I said.
            Its not f%%$King marketing its collusion.
            Then Mr farmer you can grow your own its feed wheat. Even if its #1 HRS.
            Just saying
            TRUST US WE KNOW WHATS BEST FOR YOU MR FARMER!

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              #7
              First thing cps did was kick the grain cleaner operator off the property.

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                #8
                Then don't grow it. Point is, it was legal to do with 78, its legal with 91.

                Or what exactly is your question? Or is there a question?

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                  #9
                  Crawl bAck under your rock tweet tweet!
                  It's to explain the new rules! Some farmers don't follow so I'm saying watch out!
                  On the grain company and seed watch that's coming

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                    #10
                    When done lads, we are now officially sitting at the back of the bus. Well done seed co's and seed growers. Canola through to oats now.
                    All F#(/ed now.

                    Welcome to the USSR.

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                      #11
                      Here is a example from a few years ago

                      Farmer A buys Avonlea durum from seed grower.

                      4 years later Farmer A gets a letter in the mail saying it was actually Morse durum which was sold to him
                      Joke the whole system

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                        #12
                        Within a few short years buyers - line companies, will only buy all grains from certified. You an save all the seed you want for your own farm , you will have no buyers .

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                          #13
                          Right on furrow! I just don't get why farmera think it won't happen!
                          Who gives a shit if you can seed your own if it's only good for feed! Oh they will buy at a steep discount or feed! Then blend it back in with the new shit varieties!
                          One group continues to win and one divided group loses out! Can you guess which one is the farmers!

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                            #14
                            Pity you guys weren't awake to this 3 years ago when there was one farm organisation concerned about, and fighting it. Too little, too late complaining about it now, its a done deal. And you always complain there are no leaders or no organisations with vision.

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                              #15
                              Sask, 10 years ago it was perfectly legal to do as you said. Pretty simple for even the slow ones like you.

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