Grain Shipping Order

[stonepicker]

Hey, if some of those boats are there waiting for business then that is our advantage, but getting the grain there in a timely fashion is what we all want ( grain companies too ) and i think every farmer in western canada wants to see improvement there.

[bucket]

Apparently it hasn't been too much of a priority since about September 2013.

And don't forget the railways have changed their car order system to make them look better not the system as a whole.

Graincos are no better or they would be somewhat noisy.

[stonepicker]

We've had a lot worse bucket, the 60's 70's 80's 90's, everything from 3 bus. wht. quota's for the entire crop year to well over 50 ships waiting for grain, not all years were bad and certainly not all were good. A farmer has more options today, don't you agree?

[bucket]

Yep more options that don't solve the problem for farmers, potash producers etc.

Yours is a myopic view. Options mask the underlying problems.

1997 should have woke this country up that we don't have the track capacity.

And if you think trucking is a problem solver - wait til the bill for the public highway system comes due.

[stonepicker]

There should have been an uprising and some lynchings in the days of those 3 bu. quota's, simply amazing that farmers put up with that.

[stonepicker]

I've never said that trucking was the answer, rail is the most efficient by far, but when you get served lemons make lemonade. As far as the condition of our highways, it's pathetic in MB. and we have no money to fix them. Well, the perimeter around WPG. is in pretty good shape.

[wmoebis]

Anywhere to find out what boats are ordered and what ones are waiting? Maybe even by company?

[sawfly]

maybe the market was not there for a 10 bushel quota.
that was right before the great grain robbery.
tough frozen and lots of it.

it made people mad , i remember .
but if you took 1/4 the price to get a 10 bushel quota.
what would be the point.

the western cdn. wheat growers always wanted cheap prices on the prairies anyway , so we would diversify.

like cheap Durham , for processing
and cheap malt barley for malt.
and were even against 2 price wheat.

we could not have 2 price wheat.
because it was hard on bakers.

but we have no problem having 2 priced fertilizer now.
higher here, where it is made, than the world price.

lots of history,
time to move on and deal with the mess we have now .

but without political will nothing will change.

everyone that matters is fine with things ,
so dream on if anyone thinks a fix other than a crop failure is coming.

[stonepicker]

sawfly, your post is so full of half-truths and mis-information, study your history a little better or get the bug-spray out.

[Rareearth]

Unbelievable.
People think our transportation system (railways, port terminals, unions) for commodities has gone to shit in the last few years.
Canada has always been at a competitive disadvantage with all commodities for a very long time, decades. Importers expect the results they have seen the last few years, why wouldn't they?

Studied to death for decades, excuses, few changes that resulted in game changing results. Only bare minimums.

[samhill]

Canada wheat production during Great Grain Robbery:

Market Year Production Unit of Measure Growth Rate

1970 9024 (1000 MT) -50.60 %
1971 14412 (1000 MT) 59.71 %
1972 14514 (1000 MT) 0.71 %
1973 16159 (1000 MT) 11.33 %
1974 13295 (1000 MT) -17.72 %
1975 17078 (1000 MT) 28.45 %
1976 23587 (1000 MT) 38.11 %
1977 19862 (1000 MT) -15.79 %
1978 21145 (1000 MT) 6.46 %
1979 17185 (1000 MT) -18.73 %

and exports:
1970 11846 (1000 MT) 25.62 %
1971 13710 (1000 MT) 15.74 %
1972 15692 (1000 MT) 14.46 %
1973 11414 (1000 MT) -27.26 %
1974 10739 (1000 MT) -5.91 %
1975 12253 (1000 MT) 14.10 %
1976 13446 (1000 MT) 9.74 %
1977 15997 (1000 MT) 18.97 %
1978 13061 (1000 MT) -18.35 %
1979 15883 (1000 MT) 21.61 %

1969 was "operation Lift" and production was 50%, of normal, but the GGR never seemed to make a lot of difference to exports, but price went up considerably. Was it LIFT or was it Russia buying?

[Hopalong]

Operation lift was 1970, reduced wheat crop that year but summerfallow came back into production for 1971.
Production for two year period not changed so much but Soviet buying helped price rise.