Canada won’t tell railways where to ship grain for now

[sawfly]

this just gets better and better.

why are we wasting time , talking about a 50,000$ fine. considering what it has COST EVERYONE OF US

it is beyond a f ing joke.

How can a transport minister pretend to be hardline with her 50,000 $ fine.
( what planet is she on)
then to say " i am a market girl"
" I believe in the market"

just f ing shoot me, put me out of my misery.

an Organized crime like monopoly in charge of western canada transportation system.
is what this govt. calls a market.


Vicki , you are right on,

no matter how hard we work or how efficient we get, they can steal it all.

i do not care how we crush this arrogant monopoly. public, private
whatever. it has to go.

any govt. that sells out it's nations economic future like this does not deserve to govern.

"market solutions" do not work with a monopoly as proven by the last 50 years.

even hard core conservatives can
see this , why doesn't Harper?

third world share croppers ,
that's what we are

[Braveheart]

Tom, isn't VIA an offshoot of CN?

You mentioned 60% return for CNCP. I wondered if selling and leasing motive power, laying off workers, taking rolling stock out of service to decrease the capital investment and thereby increase return on investment would put both railroads way over the revenue cap? If so, all Hunter's efficiency gains should be returned to farmers n'est pas?

Maybe all those railbeds are on native land and broken treaties might lead to land claims. I'll bring it up at the next band council meeting.

[BreadWinner]

We have to start thinking outside the box and stop being handfed. Railways wont be told what to do, do you like being dictated to in your business??? Farmers are good at sucking hind tit. Pay the railroads I say and get rid of this glut. The elevators will pay more if we weren't lined up on their driveways. Sure the cp and cn might make a bit more but so will farmers.

[Braveheart]

Breadwinner, I agree, and we strive for that in our business but that's not an option for all farms.

The rail business is different in that they have an ethical and social responsibility to provide service. Their customers are captive. Their service is essential.

I believe in the free market but, this segment has special considerations.

[samhill]

We could send hopper bottoms to Vancouver and ThunderBay. Starting October, convoys East and West at 80% speed limit in both lanes or long lines where two lanes. With all the trucks now on highways this would create problems. Don't think you can unload trucks at Vancouver tho.

[TOM4CWB]

Braveheart,

Railway efficiency and capacity is not a part of the... wait for what it really is... "A Profit Guarantee assurance Cap".

It has been over 15 years since any adjustments have been made for efficiency gains I understand. No adjustment made for efficiencies means they keep them all for themselves... which I do not have a big problem with... if they had provided better service as profitability got better and better.

That CNCP do not get it... that they will blow off the federal government over $50K... show the unbelievable arrogance of management at CNCP.

Do they think Canadians are Stupid... and that they.. (CNCP) are invincible an beyond rational control common reasonable people would suggest to fix this mess they have created by their exuberant lust for profit?

The more CNCP bring these issues up... just as in the overpayments perceived on railcar maintenance fees... the more attention will be brought to bare on how exactly CNCP operate as a Basic Essential service provider in the Canadian Economy.

If the ND or Liberals take power... isn't that bad news for CNCP?

If the present Gov retains power... It looks like Hunter has used up a huge amount of political capital on fighting some insignificant fines that mean nothing but could cost them dearly in changes to our rail competitive situation.

However Hunter is not one to say Uncle early... so I wouldn't advise holding our collective breaths... for his to change his game plan of wringing every last cent he can out of the western Canadian Economy.

[sawfly]

do you not get it tom.
your guys are just playing along.
they are one in the same.
(same team)

what kind of a joke were the fines in the first place?

How can your boys not see the problem
here?

we had a deal.
full compensatory rates and the railroads would perform.
until the rr.s said ah f that we want even more.
now your guys are entertaining the idea.( talking as if a free market exists)

the rr.s are giving the federal govt. the finger over 50,000 $

how do you think a farmer will fare getting service .under the new unlimited rates.

guess what farmer, big finger FU , we want to take your higher rates and buy rr.s down in the states and haul where it is warmer. same as before.

it is right in front of your face tom.
and yet you fail to see it is your own guys doing it to you.
and your guys policy's that put us here.
i kind of think it is somewhat fitting that it might cost you more the the 100s of thousands it has cost everyone else.
but i would rather we have a good fair transport system than any satisfaction i might get from joint misery.

[furrowtickler]

Would be interesting to see a decent debate on this without fukin politics, something might get accomplished .

[farmaholic]

50k is a bit of a joke considering the size of cheques Producers write for equipment and inputs. Even more insulting is the comparison to what the poor service cost a modest sized farm. That's if all the fingers are to be pointed in only one direction....

Politics aside

[sawfly]

it is all about politics.

how is anybody going to do a deal with
the RRs.
politics is the only chip we have in dealing with this monopoly .

there has not been one feasible solution
put forward on here, other than the federal govt. kicking some ass and laying down the law.

sadly ,this govt. is part of the problem
not the solution.
take 100,000$ out of each of their MPs paychecks , feel the pain , then they might try and think of a solution.

[BFW]

If you guys are so horny to haul grain to Alberta why not plant some feed barley and bypass the elevator and rail system altogether??!! No lineups at most feedlots and they unload you quick. Need feed grain 365 days per year.

[furrowtickler]

Well trucking cost eat up most profit to southern Alberta from here north

[bucket]

Bfw

Because as soon as it gets to reasonable price after the trucking bill someone in alberta uses their brains and brings in a train of corn.

10000 tonne unit train equals 250 super Bs not on the highway.

[BFW]

If you have a market it has to be well suppied. Once the decision to put the cattle on feed is made they must be fed so you do what you have to do. Obviously here in Canada( and anywhere for that matter) costs of moving production to market should be an important part of the planning process

[SASKFARMER3]

BFW your new on here. Don't like my comments taking the fight to the quiet. Why not deliver on fall contracts at Patterson or Cargill in Alberta. Load trucks and head west. Flood Alberta elevators off the combine so you guys can actually see what's going on with rail service in this country. Its not about the CWB that issue is dead. Its about farmers not getting a fair shake because when a railway gets behind to make things look good they short one area and take from the other to make them look good. You sound like your in a area like that. Maybe we all need to deliver into your area with 30 or 40 super Bs a day and flood your points then you will understand the rail problems.