Canaryseed Payment Issues

[Oliver88]

Dave thank you for providing a heads up to farmers.
Every farm out there certainly appreciates this.

[dave4441]

This issue was brought forward in mid 2000s and growers were fearful of CGC designation meaning grades would be brought forward and increased costs and regulation brought to this crop. I wasn't involved with association at that time.

It has been brought forward again recently to the organization. As a canary exporter it really is neither here nor there to our company (canary is about 12% of our company sales) as to if it is included on the bond. I could care less and would excuse myself from any decision on this due to confict of interest on this issue.

Grades for canaryseed have not been established by CGC and I believe that they would not be established if it went under the bond. Lots of things have been up in the air surrounding the issue with feds looking at massive changes to bonding system.

CDCS does not establish wether buyers have the ability to pay. That is the growers job. It is not within our scope of the AgriFood Act. The only thing we do is register buyers to collect levy which is invested mainly in agronomy (fertilizer, fungicide, herbidice and rotation) and a small amount of policy. Work in human consumption would account for 90% of the policy work.

[dave4441]

I meant I could care less from a exporter standpoint. From a grower standpoint we have to remind ourselves that this is the first concern regarding canary payments we have seen in 10-12 years. The industry is relatively strong, but we need to still be mindful of who we sell product to.

If a company is always a higher price then it's competition, there may be issues (marketing isn't completely about getting a higher price, it is about getting a higher price and getting paid). It is always easy to bid more when you don't intend to pay for the product.

[Oliver88]

Getting a great marketing warning/heads up like this is why Agriville is a good website.

I sure hope all the producers who delivered canary seed to Todd Naber are paid in full.

[TOM4CWB]

Dave,

I know when I grew Canary my buyer still used the CGC to determine moisture and dockage quality.

From CGC Site:

Canary Seed (PDF, 17 kb) – Canary Seed is not a grain under the authority of the Canada Grain Act. Nonetheless, to support the marketing of this seed, the Grain Research Laboratory has developed a conversion table, dated September 1991. Use this table to test a 250 gram sample.
Hemp Seed (PDF, 26 kb) – Hemp seed is not a grain under the authority of the Canada Grain Act. Nonetheless, to support the marketing of this seed, the Grain Research Laboratory has developed a conversion table. Feb. 99, 175 grams, calibrate at 73.
Solin (PDF, 19 kb) - Solin is not a grain under the authority of the Canada Grain Act. Nonetheless, to support the marketing of this seed, the Grain Research Laboratory has developed a conversion table, dated July 2013. Use this table to test a 225 gram sample.
https://www.grainscanada.gc.ca/guides-guides/moisture-teneur/table-tableau/mctm-mtct-eng.htm

[dave4441]

Yes they have dockage standards and moisture chart, but no grades. But, for instance, our company uses 12% MC on the flax chart as dry. This has been used long term by industry. CGC came out with a chart and fixed dry at 12%. But it equates to over 14% on the flax chart. So I don't even use it. Some companies do though. I think some growers felt that the devil was in the details in the mid 2000s and were pretty adamant that it not be brought under the CGC (CGC held one or two meetings, one of which was in Eston, SK). Maybe attitudes are changing on this. If you feel it should be under the bond then call the directors of the association and make your views known. CGC won't push for this unless it is asked for.

[TOM4CWB]

Question Dave,

Some buyers use the "CW #1 Canada grade. " as the selling grade of Canary Seed. How does that work?

[dave4441]

No they don't. We sell "Regular" canaryseed as the grade on export contracts and sometimes there is nothing listed on grade at all.

[TOM4CWB]

Horizon had this: CW #1 Canada grade. listed as the selling grade supplied to buyers.

[TOM4CWB]

Canary Seed. Horizon Agro`s selection process for Canary Seed starts with assessment of submitted production samples from Western Canadian producers. Canary Seed selected is grown in Western Canada with conventional production practices and is not certified organic production. Canary Seed is processed to the buyers specification as to dehulled, moisture, and inseparable grain weed seeds. We ship to the industry standard of 99% purity and 4% dehulled. Moisture specification is Maximum 12.0% in shipped product. Color selection is based on <1.0% dark brown seeds in shipped sample for purities that are higher than 99.0%. Commercial/Industrial grade is based on CW #1 Canada grade. Packaging is available in 50 and 100 lb, 25 and 45 kg new poly bags. Also available is bulk container shipments.

http://www.horizonagro.com/infocanary.shtml

[dave4441]

Just a made up grade. Doesn't mean anything.

[tweety]

A standard of inexpensive insurance available for all crops to all buyers should have been implemented long ago. This picking and choosing of some buyers and some crops with the CGC is non functional.

[sumdumguy]

There are a lot of products uncovered by the act, all grasses, feed grains, for sure you all know of a lot more. Who can you talk to to get this changed. This "responsible" government has turfed them all. Good job!

[riders2010]

Are you sure this is current info about this purchaser? Or is this just someone pissed that someone else is trying to go against the crowd and offer a higher price because the real price of canary is even higher than that in fact grossly higher? Lots of guys have hauled there recently with no issues? Because there is a shit show in terms of what the market is and what we re getting worse than wheat or any other crop. And don't give me that bullshit that's what the buyers. Contract is because you can wipe your under side with that paper info who s to say the buyer isn't taking a big chunk there are so few and tied to those governments it's a joke how it gets reported.

[TOM4CWB]

SDG,

Canary seed has never been covered by the Canadian Grain Commission (CGC).

Just like Pedigreed seed has not ever been covered... in the case of planting seed it is a matter of practical application... if buyers were to be bonded... this would mean that every grain grower in Canada buying planting seed would need to be under a bond at the CGC.