Different product, similar result

[BTO_farmalll]

QuackGrassFarmer,


You n' The Old Nags Get All Settled in Yet in Manitoba??????

[TOM4CWB]

Grassy,

Your defense of the CWB... claimed that somehow they had some reasonable control over railroads or the service they provided grain growers?

That the CWB could tell CNCP to buy Locomotives... hire people, haul grain to port... any different than legislation ordered CNCP to haul our grain in Dec-April 2015?

Delusi.... would be a good start on what powers the CWB had... Subject to CWB Ministerial orders... etc... etc...

Your fingers are pointing....

[FarmRanger]

How would it have been helpful telling farmers you can only haul in 40% of your wheat crop this year, but if you try to sell it yourself, we'll make sure you go to jail. At least the single desk buyer would have saved the railroad from having to bust their hump shipping a big crop though. /sarc

[Horse]

GF You are so right about those thinking they could show Carghill, Louis Dryfus and so on how to market grain.
But they will never admit that mabey they gave away the farm, they will go to thier grave swearing they were right by god.Rather than admit THEY may have done something wrong.

[TOM4CWB]

Horse
Re spect fully The multi graincos sold the majority of the single desk grain simply because at best western Canada had 15-20 percent of world grain markets... And knew exactly where the demand and future sales would be as they themselves were the market in some cases.

How any sane person would fall for the single desk explanation is difficult for my mind to comprehend.
The results after the August 1 2012 bare this out in full colour... As prices went up significantly... Not down as the conspiracy single desk theorists predicted and predicated.
To somehow now..: going against the vast majority of relevant indicated issues.... Blame those who stood for private property rights... Further the right of the individual grain growers to determine the destiny of their own family farms...

To preach that this respect and freedom being returned to those whom had these common law rights taken during the second World War...was
somehow a 'sin' is simply flabbergasting.
I do not buy your argument for a millisecond.

We will do better.

This is not over... The CWB was Not dismantled.
Time will tell how many of us who had the hope of better arbitragers in the market... Are allowed to participate in a more rational market system like the US or AU grain growers utilize now.
It took close to 70 years to fractionate and distort CWB products... I didn't expect this to be magically solved in a year or two.
Have a good Easter Monday!

You can crucify and execute me../ but don't
expect an apology for proper God Fearing respect of others inalienable rights to choose their own way.
As we shouldn't force a certain faith perspective... No matter how tempting and self gratifying it may seem...
Love and Charity must be a matter of free will... Chosen respectively and carefully...
Or the result is not lasting Love nor prosperity!

[grassfarmer]

"God Fearing respect of others inalienable rights to choose their own way" my ass Tom,
How did you "Further the right of the individual grain growers to determine the destiny of their own family farms" when the majority always voted to retain the single desk?
You and the rest of the vocal minority took away the property rights of these people when you sided with the Government to abolish the CWB. You don't have too much to get preachy about.

[sawfly]

while i think it is not right that quota
has got to the price it is.
what busting up any marketing boards
does is , to change the power in the marketplace.
from the farmer to the corporation.

from then on , the corp.s rule the roost
decide who gets what cut , and in the end ultimately dictates price to consumer.

similar in some ways to Harper giving the medical pot business to the corporations. (you just can't have a bunch of hippies making money off it)

it is just not right to allow small independent producers direct access to
the markets and their returns.


we see it in the grains , with seed and chemical control of that business.

you just can not ,in the long run have farmers , making good coin.
it is just is not right.

the top 1 %is supposed to make most of the money on everything no matter who does the work.
at least our federal govt. supports that goal.

[FarmRanger]

<i>" the majority always voted to retain the single desk?"</i>

Here we go again. The tired old communist idea that someone with no investment in my farm should be able to dictate what I can do with my property and try to make it seem legitimate with a "vote".

And as for the alleged "majority", the CWB knew from their own surveys that the majority of full time commercial farmers wanted market freedom. That's why every landlord, dead or alive got to vote in director elections, regardless of whether they were actually farming or not, or whether farming was their main career, or a hobby on the side. There was no desire to carry out the wishes of actual full time farmers because it took power away from an elite few.

Thankfully we had a government that would stand up to <b>a tyranny that should never have existed </b>in a free and democratic society.

[TOM4CWB]

Grass farmer
How is many people voting what faith a person should be... Any different than telling me and my family whom we must associate with... To force the blood sweat and tears of our labours and dreams... Into an uncaring 'majority' that could have cared less what the 'collective' did to my farm and family.
Sounds like another form of Islamic State... If you cross us... You will pay even more!
The principals are the same. I have the power to take your farm... Hurt you and your family... Against your will. So you can pump your ideology if we, our family, agree or not. Change the rules to keep power... And Stop personal freedoms... Because you think you are entitled to take what is not yours... Without consent...
Thx
Have a great evening!

[stonepicker]

Ya, what tom and others said in their last few posts!! Ah , no, not sawfly.

[stonepicker]

Or horse, whether your a thorobred or a heinz 57.

[grassfarmer]

Its called vote rigging Farmranger, something that shouldn't happen in a free and democratic society either. But I guess it's ok if some of you "big guys" wanted it, tough shit on the smaller operators, some of the biggest (many of the Hutterites) and all these old fools that were getting in the way of you hotshot's aspirations.
So predictable, seen it all before, the dairy sector in the UK for one example which was why I posted the original article.
You'll learn in time the consequences of your actions.



and some of the really big ones like the Hutterite colonies

[FarmRanger]

You're darn tootin it was vote rigging, but I guess since it was only screwing "big" guys who farmed more than a 1/4 section, that was OK with you.

We got rid of the monopsony, now we need to get rid of the rail monopoly. That kind of change, I can definitely live with.

[stonepicker]

Welcome to MB. grassfarmer, the great bastion of socialism,you'll fit right in, heck i bet you moved here because you were looking' for a government job! Well your in luck 'cause that's all we have!!

[foragefarmer]

Tom4CWB

"Time will tell how many of us who had the hope of better arbitragers in the market... Are allowed to participate in a more rational market system like the US or AU grain growers utilize now."

I thought once the monopoly was gone this was automatic. What are you saying Tom, things not working out as you had visioned post monopoly. Tom you like to think you know everything about marketing, but your posts are constantly contradicting one another.

Tom, what does religion have to do with marketing wheat?