Grain millers and fall applied roundup!

[hobbyfrmr]

As described above. Spraying just a little too early and its like an early frost which fractionates the groat. Basically it falls apart when milled instead of holding together.
This memo came from Grain Millers only. They are only the third largest oat milling company in North America and they are only the largest organic oat milling company in North America.
Keep spraying .

[hobbyfrmr]

Please continue regarding the people who actually eat the oats as freaks. They really really like it when you call them names. That shows a western Canadian farmers' true colors.
I am always fascinated by farmers with millions of dollars invested in production machinery and inputs but they dont have enough mental capacity to stop insulting their customers. That is really awesome.

[cris]

before we sprayed and straight cut oats, we swathed. Since we have stopped swathing, our oats are much more marketable. Standing oats aren't subject to feces from waterfowl, or near as susceptible to mildew on the groats. Consumers may have to pick the lessor of the evils, or pay to play!

[saskcanfarmer]

Hobby - Stop being all high and mighty and get off your same high horse. Yes we know how you farm and your beliefs but stop acting like you're doing the right thing. Freaks maybe isn't the appropriate word but it isn't far off. You choose to cater to the very very tiny minority. The uniformed/misinformed. I will continue to cater to the huge massive 7 billion majority. If you are in the save a few and lose millions camp then good on you. We can effectively feed the 7 billion right now how are we going to feed even more? With the advances in chemistries, bio techs etc etc we are doing a better job now then we were before geopolitical issues aside. To think at this moment of time we can make every faction happy is laughable. To crumble and surrender to the few voices who correlate the advances in Ag to certain diseases etc without little to no evidence will only make things worse because they are the same people who will fight starvation and malnutrition and not realize that they took potentially billions of food stock out of production. You're entitled to your opinion that it baffles you how farmers treat their customers. Well you are dead wrong. My customer isn't the very few who vilify what I do who have zero knowledge and spout their non sensecle pseudo science fear mongering bull shit. She/he might be yours in your little niche market but I don't have to cater to not respect them.

[saskcanfarmer]

Should of read we can't effectively feed 7B. Man do we need an edit button on here haha

[sumdumguy]

Saskcanfarmer, who is high and mighty? And how do you know you are 'right'? I fear that one day the consumer will become informed and who'll be bawling about the 'freaks'. Calling people who do not want to eat chemical-laced food names is extremely harmful and pontifical.

[hobbyfrmr]

Saskcanfarmer!

I do not claim I am doing the right thing.
i did not intend to make this an organic vs. conventional farming debate. I view things in a more business model type of mentality. This is why I do not understand why farmers insult and chastise their customers. I hear farmers talk about their "stupid" customers more frequently than you think.
This is marketing fail 101. Have you ever heard of a McDonalds advertisement "hey you stupid people, this food is bad, but eat it anyway"
Or Apple saying , " you are too much of a freak to own the latest iPhone so don't come and buy one".
YOUR CONVENTIONAL BUYERS, NOT MY ORGANIC BUYERS are telling you not to spray pre harvest glyphosate. It is not a food safety issue. It is a milling yield issue. Yet, the farmers' rebuttal (on AV) is to automatically call the general consuming public freaks.
This has nothing to do with the public, it has to do with your customers, the end users of your grain.

You can keep spraying and not sell to Grain Millers. So, keep spraying. I think I said that already.

[pourfarmer]

saskcancarmer FEEDING THE WORLD!

millions of people go to bed hungry every night, meanwhile my neighbors have 160k bu of wheat sitting in the bin. You're not saving anyone by "over production", all you're doing is providing a rich nation with cheap over processed food so they can go out and buy a huge tv or a 3rd car. The real starving nations dont have any money, even if your grain was free they still couldnt afford it.

The rich nations are making a statement, they're starting to see that maybe they'd rather have healthy food instead of that extra car payment. What will you do when there is no demand for your grain in these rich nations? Will you still believe the seed/chem/fert companies when they tell you that you're FEEDING THE WORLD?

[saskcanfarmer]

Pourfarmer - That's why I said we can't effectively feed 7 billion. And production is a big part of that circle.

[saskcanfarmer]

Hobby - The general consuming public are not the ones who are bringing forth the fear lingering based on pseudo sciences. It is in fact the "freaks" who for the most part have a vested interest in organics and/or have something to gain thru their statements. It is your organic customers, let's call them Big Organics, who are spreading misinformation this risking the long term food supply unknowingly.

[saskcanfarmer]

Sumdumguy - Science has proven over and over again that glyphosate is safe. That GMOs are safe. That's how I know I'm right. Do not cherry pick.

Hobby - Just to clarify. I do realize this topic isn't organic against conventional. It is about quality and strengths needed for the milling process.

[pourfarmer]

haha They're freaks again because they don't want unneeded chem applied to their food for the farmers convenience.

Can you not see that producing more per acre isn't helping anyone except seed/fert/chem companies and shareholders? These biotech companies should be focusing on the main (logistic, political) issues so that maybe people there would be a market for the stuff you guys love to grow when the rich nations finally say enough is enough.