CWB Robbing the Pooling Accounts

[parsley]

The CWB is stealing from the pooling accounts to pay for entire Wheat Board licensing and the Act says they cannot!!

eatmorewheat,
Ontario exporters legally still have to get export licenses from the CWB. Do you know how many Ontario farmers exported last year?

thalpenny,
The West picks up the cost to issue all those licenses, and the CWB Act doesn't allow this. Why is the CWB breaking the law?

The pecuniary benefit you were asking about in the other thread is $0.00 for all Canadian exporters and I assume that your woeful silence indicates that you agree.

Now that we have established that the buyback isn't a legal requirement to getting a license, thalpenny, let's also establish that Prairie farmers legally aren't responsible for paying all those licensing costs.

Parsley

[parsley]

Cat got your tongue, thalpenny?

Parsley

[parsley]

It's more like the bait is stale, parsley.

Tom

[TOM4CWB]

Thalpenny;

It is interesting that the CWB can refuse to answer the question, on the grounds that it is "stale bait"...

More likely you should be careful, or it may become "jail bait" for refusing to carry out your code of conflict guidelines, and the requirement to follow the wishes of the parliament of Canada...

OH yes, I forgot, the CWB detests the Parliament of Canada... and their recommendations!

Remove the CWB Act... Thalpenny... and let us see....

Lets see how well you can do in a commercial world where costs are costs, and the customer really is always right!

[parsley]

thalpenny,

The following statment is not bait, thalpenny, so I'll repeat it again.

"The CWB is stealing from the pooling accounts to pay for entire Wheat Board licensing and the Act says they cannot!!"

This is a serious accusation which you have not addressed, presumably because what I am stating is true.

Parsley

[parsley]

THEFT ALERT

The CWB is stealing from the pooling accounts to pay for:
the filling out and
the data entry and
the mailing and
the micro-fiching and
the filing
etc.
of all the SEED GROWERS in the Designated Area. The Act states the Federal Government MUST pay these licensing costs. The Board of Directors are ignoring the legislation they are bound to uphold. So is Minister Goodale. They should be sued.

Parsley

[parsley]

THEFT ALERT

The CWB is stealing from the pooling accounts to pay for the entire Export Manufactured Feed Department(it's none of your business how many employees make up this Department) in Winnipeg, plus their pension plans for
filling out EMFA applications and
EMFA data entry and
EMFA mailing and
EMFA micro-fiching and
EMFA filing and
EMFA employees probing the loads of feed and
EMFA inspection of feed loads and
EMFA feed statisitics and
EMFA meetings to facilitate Corporations
and on and on

All of the grain that passes through the EMFA bypasses Wheat Board Pooling and Wheat Board Marketing. The CWB itself has decided they do not want to market or pool any of the millions of bushels of grain going into the load upon load of feed going South every day, that passes through the EMFA!

The Act states the Federal Government MUST pay these licensing costs. BUT the Board of Directors are paying for these these licensing expenses out of the Pooling Accounts. Directors like Larry Hill are obviously in favor of Prairie farmers having to pay for the big Corporations licensing costs, or we wouldn't be.

The big companies would be foolish to complain because they have no licensing costs to pay, so why upset the fruit basket?

The Board of Directors are ignoring the legislation they are bound to uphold. So is Minister Goodale. They should be sued.

Parsley

PS
thalpenny, Not only are Western farmers day after day, denied export licenses by the CWB, but we are paying for all the licensing costs wracked up by the corporations BEING granted licenses by this Board of Directors. I would be interested in hearing your comment.

[parsley]

THEFT ALERT

The CWB is stealing from the pooling accounts to pay for:

the filling out and
the data entry and
the mailing and
the micro-fiching and
the filing
etc.
of all ONTARIO Export License Applicants, not just farmers who need export licenses. Every sale of Ontario grain must be accompanied by an export license (and the Act says not only when when exporting but when selling interprovincially as well ), whether they are sales made by the Ontario Marketing Board or whether they are made by the whole group of farmer-exemptees bypassing the Ontario Board, or whether they are by corporations.

The Act states the Federal Government MUST pay these licensing costs. The Board of Directors are ignoring the legislation they are bound to uphold. So is Minister Goodale. They should be sued. A lot of Westerners' licensing money plus interest, IS recoverable.

Parsley

PS
The the numbers of companies and farmers who are bypassing the Ontario Wheat Marketing Board is growing so quickly, there will probably be a buildup of export applications in the Licensing Department of the CWB. The Ontario Wheat Board's report stated that there will be 300,000 tonnes available in the exemptees portion for 2003. More and more licensing applications that Prairie farmers are footing the bill for.

Has Prairie Director Larry Hill, for example, helped to address this issue for the West? No.

1. The CWB will probably hire more employees in the licensing Department and
2. The entire licensing-cost issue will continue to be covered up by these Directors and Westerners will continue to foot the bill.

It's no wonder they don't want to give Chatenay written answers! Tell your neighbors what these Directors are doing to us.

[TOM4CWB]

Parsley;

This regulation is more than on farmer direct sales outside of Canada...

The CWB must keep track of all the mills, and track down where each tonne of grain that is used domestically, for human consumption.

This paperwork trail is directly attributable to the licensing function, as it is the enforcment hammer the CWB has on export and interprovincial movement of wheat and products made from wheat that the CWB controls through part IV of the CWB Act!

As part I of the CWB Act obligates the Reciever General to pay for these activities, is it any wonder the CWB refuses to answer director Chatenay's stunning questions?

[parsley]

THEFT ALERT!

The CWB is stealing from the pooling accounts to pay for:

the filling out and
the data entry and
the mailing and
the micro-fiching and
the filing
etc.
of all kamut Export License Applicants.

The CWB Directors allow this to happen.

Parsley

[parsley]

THEFT ALERT

Donuts require export licenses. Cookies require export licenses. Farmers pay the costs of issuing the export licenses needed to export the cookies and donuts.

Many products require export licenses:

"DESIGNATED PRODUCTS

17. Screenings that contain any quantity of wheat and all substances produced by processing or manufacturing wheat that contain wheat in any form to an extent greater than 25 per cent by weight, including wheat flour, breakfast foods, cereals, macaroni, spaghetti, vermicelli, noodles, animal and poultry feeds, wheat starch and wheat malt are hereby designated as "wheat products" for the purposes of the Act."

Those Directors in positions of trust like Art Macklin, for example, ignore the law about licensing costs, and instead try to make farmers look like lawbreakers because the exporting farmers did not meet export licensing requirements.

Cookies and donuts? Licensing costs? The Directors are in breach of trust.

Parsley

[parsley]

All accredited exporters need licenses in order to export. Louis Dreyfus does. Cargill does. Sask Wheat Pool does.

Where do they get them?

Who fills them out?

Who pays?

Can you guess?

Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Parsley;

Isn't it interesting that the Ontario Wheat board costs Ontario a small percentage of what the CWB costs "designated area" wheat and barley farmers?

Interesting cause the CWB issues the export licenses for Ontario...

Now it does appear that the biggest CWB cost on a per tonne base... is the cost of administrating the Part IV export license requirement stipulated in Part IV of the CWB Act!

If the CWB had A CWB Act, that ended at the last section of Part III of the CWB Act, Export Licenses would not be required in or for any CWB marketing or sales transactions.

Now it is clear why the CWB will not answer CWB Director 2 James Chatenay's request for the specific cost of CWB export licenses...

The export licensing cost is obviously the largest single administrative cost at the CWB, as it appears!

When will Minister Goodale get involved in this ethical fiasco?

It is interesting that CWB Minister Goodale was appointed by the PM to clean up government conflict of interest and ethical problems,...

Yet Minister Goodale's own CWB is the seemingly worst offender at breaking these guidelines, and the Canadian statutes that are the legally required action in Canada...

Don't you wonder if the CWB will end up sinking Minister Goodale?

[chaffmeister]

thalpenny:
If you won't answer the question, can you at least advise why you won't?

[charliep]

Perhaps this is not a decision that can be taken at the operations level but rather requires specific policy instructions from the board of directors.

If the board of directors indicated this is the direction the CWB should go, then the operations side would make it so.

The current CWB director election is critical to setting the future direction of western Canadian grain marketing. Hopefully everyone is encouraging their neighbors to take the time to become aware of the issues and vote.