We need Aid !!!!!

[furrowtickler]

There is millions of dollars of new iron that put in huge inputs along with huge rents on lots of ac, that's a fact - all before crop conditions were known - it has been spiraling out of control on all three ends for the past 8 years. We were not one of them but there will be a lot lookin in the mirror woundering wtf happened.
There is crop ins, agri stab, agri invest, access to global ag risk as well now. I agree with a few others - no bail out money from my tax $ to watch $100 rents, and mill dollar outfits every where you turn , most financed to the 9's - one bad year in 8 or more should never warrant a bail out on any farm who is watching there p's and q's. Flooded out areas like s/f, and cattlemen survived 8 years of shit with very little or no bail out money.
Sorry if I offend anyone - that bailout comment hit a nerve instantly after watching the bull shit happening the past 8 years. Machinery dealers and mosaic have had some guys completely hypnotized. Just look at that new big BG at Regina - that tells the tail right there......

[cuban_assassin]

You are right furrow, everything you said I agree with but that is not how things work anymore. When 5-10 thousand acre farms start falling behind by the hundreds government will get involved because if these sized farms and larger start to fail with the huge debt loads they carry they will start bringing a lot of others down with them and the chain reaction begins. In the eighties a lot of farmers failed but they were small farms that did not have much of an impact on the overall economy. That is what is different here, when these big boys start falling look out they will drag down the entire industry.

[Tucker]

I really hate to play devil's advocate but did you really think netting $250 an acre would be the new norm and budget for it?

[furrowtickler]

We never got a god dam dime from govt after 75% hailed out in 2000 , devesttind drought the next three years then a wipe out frost in '04 as many others - not a fukin dime . Have things changed - yup - but that's an individual farmer thing - no one has a gun to your head to do what many have done . It's been a fairy tail world in many areas for many years - some seen through the b/s others were like a Jackfish after the ole red and white spoon in spring ...
I know this will piss a lot of people off - but it's the truth
If you are in a 2 or 3 year drought - I agree something needs to be done , maybe the peace river area is the only area I can think of right now

[farmaholic]

One of the BG Reps said to me they will continue to build them bigger as long as "someone" is buying them. Put your ****ing ego on the shelf. All I've ever done is cautious calculated risks, maybe thats why I never grew to be the big boy on the block, AND I DON'T CARE. Someone on here said their forefathers told them to wear the pants that fit them (or something like that) Neither do I want to pay for guy's egos with heads so big they can't wear a hat or think with their big balls instead their brains. Market suppressing Guys who have to "dump" grain to meet cashflow because they operate on the edge.

[farmaholic]

Cub Ass. It's called a reset, a reboot, a correction. Where things that got out of control get revalued. Everything!!!! And it goes to show who is the hub of the ****ing wheel, not some measly spoke. A wheel can still roll with a missing spoke....

[furrowtickler]

Big guys have fallin before and had zero effect on the rest of us - in fact it alowed others to expand reasonably , steadily and efficiently . It should be a cold day in hell the "big boys" should get a bail out after 2 months of drought - *** that noise .

[cuban_assassin]

Many farms have arranged there financial affairs to require at the very least an average crop to service debt. The amount of dollars per acre required to make it through a production cycle these days is huge and therefore I think the majority of large farms do not have a contingency fund. They need a crop every year or they are going backward very fast, if not out. Every year there are relatively small areas that have production issues but this drought encompasses a huge acreage which is why the government will get involved and come up with some cash to the producers. They have to or they will have a much larger problem on there hands if they don't.

[Tucker]

ummm yeah furrowtickler. I wouldn't have stated it so bluntly but you're absolutely right.

[iceman]

No bail out. Low hanging fruit always gets picked first. A per acre hand out would go from the farmers hands straight to the landlords or to the Ag retailers hands.lets face it.
The majority of us don't and will never have a money problem!! We have a SPENDING PROBLEM.

Those who have run a tight ship the last couple year will have their day in the sun and rightly so

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