We need Aid !!!!!

[riders2010]

For one the Chinese love this they built cities that are empty for fk sakes so paying a small amount in their terms to own us is fk all. Walls buddies will have a hay day of land to make a profit off the next batch of farm families sent down the road.

[agchat]

Bucket, I am surprised about your cattle statement, I thought you were more level headed. I have said before, with cattle you have built your heard up, and now nothing to feed, at least grain land can wait till next year in a drought, it waits every winter regardless. Try telling that to a bunch of starving bone racked cows. Come on bucket, you disappoint me.

[bucket]

Yup.

Tried calling CPP and their partners the other day. They are not buying now but will be once this goofy review is over. The outcome is predetermined. The government wrote the survey questions FFS.

[bucket]

Ag chat.

Sorry.

Feeding the cows is just as important as feeding the land.

I thought someone would review my comments. Just playing devils advocate.

I have cows. Not short of feed but then again I wasn't expecting a frost to **** things this bad for cattle guys. They deserve a good return as well.

Subsoil moisture to grow a hay crop is there but the hay crop here is ****ed.

Points that agriculture still hasn't got their shit together and asked collectively for the right program.

I have alot of money out in the ground that I would rather just hit with roundup right now. Sure the fertilizer will still be there but my input suppliers are not going to wait for October 2016 for payment.

[boarderbloke]

Not sure why ranchers wouldn't trickle a few more head out each week if conditions are that bad. Selling more now while prices are so high, might be better than waiting till more are dumped on the market and prices drop. Besides selling off some now would reduce the pressure on grass and feed, no?
I guess they all think it's gonna rain and that they might get by without selling more than calves?

[Richard5]

Wow, interesting how I make a couple comments on a previous thread and it dies but this one is active

I fully agree with many posters on this one. Way too much debt, some because of huge ego and ability to access financing and lease debt.

Leasing is a big part of it and I will continue to argue this one. Too many operators getting into equipment way over priced for their operation because the least debt and especially pmts are half or less compared to a purchase.

[Bluejay]

I'm not sure what to think about on a bail out but When the government has let Chinese sales of land happen and government buying land themselves forcing land prices up and rents up because of it What has this helped us on non crop year. Now I realize it's not the only factor if we do not produce a crop, iron fert and chem play a big role but this hasn't helped any of it either because of the government allowing these sales to take place.

[blackjack]

You are correct boarderbloke...prices have never been better.

[bucket]

New or old equipment costs are similar.

I have had older equipment go down at a bad time . Repairs are no longer that cheap and at the wrong time can be more expensive than just running new or newer.




But this disaster isn't about equipment it's about getting just back what was put in. I would rather use roundup and call it a year.

[freewheat]

Bluejay. Trouble is, who forced the farmers to expand and pick up land and cave to the added "pressure"?

I mean, not everyone chases land like it is the last thing on earth that could satisfy their jollies, no matter the cost.

I disagree with the issue of land ownership and how things have gone that way, sure, but we do not have to be pigs at the trough and over pay for questionably producing land, no?

Like a bunch of sheep running over the edge of a cliff. Because for some, expanding and having more, IS ALL THAT MATTERS!

Did a 6000 acre farm, just have to grab another 3000 to be "feasible"???

Or do they grab it because it is available, and if they don't get it, Jim the neighbor might get it, and that's just mot right...